Donal Well I would include a bit more than that, as I indicated, but what you write brings up a recollection of another 60s set of activists, the Manson family. Some of the Manson family have turned their lives around, so it has been testified during their parole hearings. They are not in jail because of anything they did recently, but of what they did long ago. Aside from the legal loopholes that allowed terrorists from our upper class (Ayers & Dohrn) to go free while retaining terrorists from lower classes (the Manson family) to remain incarcerated, what principle, if any, should apply here? Should someone be given a clean slate at some point in time after a crime? At what point did Ayers and Dorhn get a clean slate aka “rock-solid establishment”? If there is a principle, why haven’t any of the Manson family been given a clean slate? Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: Donal McEvoy Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 5:08 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Stanley Fish on Ayers [1] Skim-reading this, and not getting onto PtII (as yet anyway), may I offer the Poppern. conjecture that the key sentence is:- "We were there not because of what Ayers and Dohrn had done 40 years ago, but because of what they were doing at the moment." Donal Oxon