In a message dated 9/4/2004 3:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, goya@xxxxxxx writes: Deus est sphera infinita cuius centrum est ubique, = circumferentia=20 vero nusquam "This proposition has been given by imagining the first Cause = itself in its own life as the center. Indeed, the circle of its manifestation is above, exactly where = it ends at the outside. This is why its center is everywhere, since it has no dimension for common notions. When it seeks the circumference of its sphericity, it will say it rises as far as infinity, because all that is without dimensions is as the Creator also was at the beginning, and thus his limit is nowhere. The proposition is thus evident." ---- The proposition may be evident for Mme Hudry, but not for me (I wonder if it's evident for Geary). I mean, I can understand what Nicholas of Cusa meant, but I'm slightly unhappy with the identification he goes on to state between what lies on the right of the 'est' ("sphera infinita, etc.") and what lies on the left ("Deus"). It seems that the identification is _synthetic_, hardly evident, and maybe even artificial. Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html