[lit-ideas] Re: Some of you may remember ... ueber-gaffe
- From: "Julie Krueger" <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:36:24 -0500
How many of you guys remember where you were the evening of Nov 4, 2004? I
was in my living room with my husband, watching the election results coming
in on TV. I remember my husband gasping, "My God -- the country's bleeding
out."
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Judith Evans
<judith.evans001@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> but YOU, ma'am, are the one attributing "buffoon"
>> status to imaginary Americans who happened to be given
>> rustic names and who were expecting mass culture
>> instead of dueling unobjectionables.
>>
>
> You, Eric, said
>
> If Obama makes this assumption about everything substantial in a debate --
>>>> i.e., that a good portion of his audience is cut off, hasn't a clue, was
>>>> busy in Vegas or on Vision Quest, is out to lunch, had the "do not disturb"
>>>> sign hanging from their sensory deprivation tank -- how does he explain
>>>> that
>>>> this same group is in the (real or TV) audience listening to him speak
>>>> during a Presidential Debate?
>>>>
>>>
> Why would they be there? Maybe they took a wrong turn on their way to the
>>>> mall?
>>>>
>>>
>
> apparently misinterpreting my
>
> Judith: "some in the audience might not know where they were and 'how all
>>>>> the country was ready to come together' etc., as they might have been
>>>>> (like
>>>>> me) somewhat cut off from political events at that time"
>>>>>
>>>>
> 'buffoon' seemed not unreasonable to me
>
> I then explained my 'like me' 'cut off' and so on
>
> As for "coping with serious problems," I did offer you
>> respect for that circumstance.
>>
>
>
> But that was not my point, my point was that *some in the audience* might
> have been in a situation like mine -- and indeed, worse: my situation that
> day was not in any way desperate, it simply did not conduce to, as it were,
> taking the nation's pulse, to taking part in a pulling together, etc..
>
> However it must have
>> evaporated when the rustics were imagined
>>
>
> Your imagining, Eric, passed off as an assumption of Obama's. You said:
>
>
> >>> "Say, Wendy, this isn't 'Are You Smarter than a
>
>> Fifth Grader?' Who are those serious guys in suits?"
>>>>
>>> >>> "You're right, Billy Bob. Dang blast that Mapquest!"
>
> not I.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Yost" <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:57 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Some of you may remember ... ueber-gaffe
>
>
> Judith: Your suggestion that all such people are
>> buffoons who switched the TV on by accident, when they
>> may have been coping with serious problems, is really
>> unpleasant and foolish, too.
>>
>>
>> Hey, I know you're not one to be out-snarked, Judith,
>> but YOU, ma'am, are the one attributing "buffoon"
>> status to imaginary Americans who happened to be given
>> rustic names and who were expecting mass culture
>> instead of dueling unobjectionables. "Buffoon" is your
>> projection, your read-in, your stereotype. Own it.
>>
>> As for "coping with serious problems," I did offer you
>> respect for that circumstance. However it must have
>> evaporated when the rustics were imagined. But finis, as you say.
>>
>> All the best to you and yours,
>> Eric
>>
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