Jorie Graham was involved in several poetry contest scandals, i.e., always selecting her students in contests with paid reading fees, selecting her husband as winner of contests, and others. With aspiring poets having to pay a hundred bucks as a reading fee, and not having a chance at being considered, it is the poetry equivalent of insider trading. As a result of the scandals, most contests and awards adopted "Jorie Graham rules," preventing judges from selecting kinfolk or students as winners. She is the most conspicuous of the unprincipled poetry judges, but there were many others, notably Mark Strand. Something about obtuse lyric poetry written by a scumbag...makes it more repugnant than music written by a scumbag (Richard Wagner, z.b.). Perhaps in lyric poetry, the integrity of the person IS the voice in the art, whereas in music there's a degree of separation. Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html