I've seen many "Ptolemaic" mechanical models; they all have tiny little "L" > shaped posts to show what > "epicycles" look like. But these don't convey to the observer that the > OBSERVATION of the system is > identical in both models. What I want to do is to show that the "facts" in > both models are the same. > None of the "epicycle" models looks like it has the same "facts." Having a > replaceable earth/sun model > should generate identical motions to the Birmingham Museum Ptolemaic model, > but in a way that shows > it's just a different mathematical model, not a different set of facts. > Okay, here's an "Andy" anecdote. I read somewhere, a few years ago, a conversation between two people -- may have been real scientists/philosophers from some time ago, may have been two characters in a novel -- who were discussing the possibility that the Sun revolved around the Earth vs. the Earth revolving around the Sun. It was set up sort of a platonic/socratic dialogue. It went something like this: 1 Man: The Earth revolves around the sun. 2 Man: But it appears that the Sun revolves around the Earth 1 Man: That is only because of the daily rotation of the Earth as it revolves on its access 2 Man: But it LOOKS like we are revolving around the Sun 1 Man: It does. 2 Man; What would it look like if the Sun DID revolve around the Earth? 1 Man:[insert answer here] is that what you are looking for? p ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html