no worry, do not fret about it and erase the pdf-
wittgenstein suffered from a great disease: being very intelligent, he
never understood where and how he could be wrong
I am not a wittgenstenian exegetical nut, I have read him virtually
entirely.
tractatus is an interesting work, with two giant faults in my view
(quantification and failing to see that there is more between heaven and us
that language captures, and that includes his perfect "script" with no
tense, no indexicals etc. and natural language, something like the austrian
german he spoke [he kept his accent to the end]
on poetry I have to think, to me much depends on which poem is thought
about, in some cases, some authors (two of the biblical psalmist, celan,
shakespeare, to give you an idea) do what you claim they are tru"er" than
something else and, bar one exception, truer than anything else
we'll get back on that
Quatsch wird gelöscht, ohne gelesen zu werden
Kerem jojjenek maskor es kulonosen masho
הִשְׁתַּדֵּל הִזְדַּקֵּן
palma, a paolo shaul םֹשׁ ְרֵגּ
On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 5:25 PM Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Adriano,
Thanks for sending me the book. However, I have gotten used to reading in
Kindle, so downloaded their version. I just noticed that Amazon does offer
a hard copy for $76.82. Typically, for serious matters I’ll order a hard
copy and then a Kindle copy for actual reading. When I was attempting to
go “paperless” and use Kindle only it seemed as though what I read ran off
at once and seemed forgotten; whereas if I had a hard copy handy, I could
rifle through the pages, reading here and there and recall what I needed
to. But I’m not going to buy Misak’s hard copy unless I fall in love with
her book.
In the case of Ramsey and Wittgenstein, I have a “feeling” that poetry
when done right obtains “meaning” beyond or truer or more useful than
philosophical formulae – not truth exhaustively, perhaps, but truth
specifically and so I am more of a pragmatist than anything else – not that
I read much philosophy any more.
When I was reading Wittgenstein years ago I got into a series of arguments
with Robert Paul before I knew that he was a professor at Reed College –
this was back in the Phil-Lit days. I felt as though I was winning these
arguments, and some others thought I was as well, but then Robert wrote me
privately, describing his background and wrote of having known individuals
surrounding Wittgenstein and having it on good “authority” from them that
Wittgenstein meant what he (Robert Paul) said he did rather than what I
thought his (Wittgenstein’s) words meant. I have no respect for arguments
“from authority,” but I didn’t tell Robert Paul that. I did however stop
arguing with him. J
There are a few things Ramsey was into (according to the reviews) that may
or may not relate to truth or accurate meaning through language that I
would like to learn more about.
Lawrence
*From:* adriano paolo shaul gershom palma [mailto:palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx]
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2020 7:17 AM
*To:* Lawrence Helm
*Cc:* adriano paolo shaul gershom palma
*Subject:* Re: whistle & A Sheer excess of powers
pretty good the review, the book is worth reading
I send it to you if you wish
Quatsch wird gelöscht, ohne gelesen zu werden
*Kerem **jojjenek **maskor **es kulonosen **masho *
*הִשְׁתַּדֵּל** **הִזְדַּקֵּן** *
*prett*
palma, a paolo shaul םֹשׁ ְרֵגּ
On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 3:19 PM Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Anthony Gottleib is impressive and so might have some insights not covered
in the book.
Here is another review of Misak’s book:
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/the-extraordinary-mind-of-frank-ramsey-cambridge-philosophy-maths-wittgenstein
Lawrence
*From:* adriano paolo shaul gershom palma [mailto:palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx]
*Sent:* Monday, May 04, 2020 9:47 PM
*To:* Lawrence Helm
*Cc:* Adriano Palma
*Subject:* Re: whistle & A Sheer excess of powers
yes Ramsey was an interesting character, mesmerized by Wittgenstein, like
many of his circles (lord keynes in primis, author of the unforgettable,
god arrived by train)
the book is not half bad, I read it in hard copy, is the review worth
reading?
BEST
Quatsch wird gelöscht, ohne gelesen zu werden
*Kerem **jojjenek **maskor **es kulonosen **masho *
*הִשְׁתַּדֵּל** **הִזְדַּקֵּן** *
palma, a paolo shaul םֹשׁ ְרֵגּ
On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 2:50 AM Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
*Also, in the May 4th 2020 issue of The New Yorker, is a review of Cheryl
Misak’s Frank Ramsey: A Sheer Excess of Powers. The review is by Anthony
Gottlieb, entitled “The Thinker’s Thinker,” and subtitled “We’re still
catching up with one of the greatest minds of the last century.”*
*It is available on Kindle (published in February 2020), but apparently
not in hard copy.*
*Robert Paul would have been interested in this book.*
*Lawrence*
*From:* Adriano Palma [mailto:Palma@xxxxxxxxxx]
*Sent:* Monday, May 04, 2020 10:36 AM
*To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* whistle
*in these boring times, not much of interest, other than reading (in my
case on the life of Sudaplatov)*
*but if you want to spend 80 minutes on a screen*
*I'd suggest WHISTLERS*
*(that is the title given to the english edition)*
*the whistling is not a whistle but silbo gomero, a language of La Gomera
(Islas Canarias)*
*the plot revolves around a very dark, very nice lady and a corrupt
policeman.*
*the author is Porumbuiu.*
*I liked it*
