I've no great problem with this -- I simply want to keep sex as a biological designation and gender as something else. I prefer to think of gender as a social construct, admittedly. I suspect any classification system will encounter problems of, well, classification. My beef's with the endless questionnaire GENDER: MALE or FEMALE also with the way even some academics use "gender" as a substitute for "sex". There was once some kind of reason given for that (not one I accepted) but now I think people have just stopped thinking (obviously I exempt you from stopping thinking and also from not being a person!) Judy Friday, November 11, 2005, 10:19:08 PM, John Wager wrote: >> JW> I usually tell my students that there are four variables: JW> 1. One's biological sex, through chromosomes and/or genitals JW> 2. One's gender, that is, one's psychological identification as a member JW> of one sex or the other. One can biologically be a male and still JW> experience one's self as a female. I think this may be why we ask about JW> "gender." Do you really want to know about a person's chromosomes and JW> genitals, or their psychological identification of themselves? JW> 3. One's degree of fitting the social expectations for gender and sex, JW> that is, the degree to which one's mannerisms, behavior, dress, etc. is JW> "masculine" or "feminine." These are very much social constructs, and JW> may or may not correspond with one's sex and gender identification. JW> 4. One's sexual orientation, that is, to whom one is typically attracted. JW> Here's where it sometimes gets tricky. Suppose someone is biologically JW> a male, yet experiences themself as a female. And then suppose they are JW> attracted to men. Are they heterosexual women, or homosexual men? Or JW> suppose that one is biologically male, but experiences themself as a JW> female, and is then attracted to women. Is that "man" a lesbian, or is JW> that "man" a heterosexual male? -- Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK mailto:judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html