[lit-ideas] Re: Saving Western Civilization?

  • From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:27:20 -0000

> Well, I'm not sure what to make of this.

I'm not either, frankly.  Salamis apart, is the contention that if Xerxes
had won, we'd all be wearing the niqab now?

Judy Evans, no fan of Sparta, in Cardiff, UK


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Paul" <rpaul@xxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:17 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Saving Western Civilization?


> Lawrence wrote, quoting
>
> > “Thus, one not insignificant reason why we today should care who the
> > ancient Spartans were, is that they played a key role – some might say
> > /the /key role – in defending Greece and so preserving from foreign and
> > alien conquest a form of culture or civilization that constitutes one of
> > the chief roots of our own Western civilization.”
>
> Well, I'm not sure what to make of this. After Thermopylae, the Persians
> were still able to march south and burn Athens to the ground. Salamis
> and Platea were yet to come. Some think that the naval battle at Salamis
> 'saved Western civilization.'
>
> More to the point, the Greek contribution to the Western heritage is
> almost entirely Athenian. Art, architecture, drama, philosophy, and
> 'democracy' came from Athens, not Sparta. Sparta, of course, eventually
> conquered Athens, and destroyed that 'form of culture that constitutes
> one of the chief roots of...Western civilization.'
>

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