[lit-ideas] Re: Russian?

  • From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 20:12:47 -0500 (EST)

Ia message dated 1/2/2014 7:58:57 P.M. Eastern  Standard Time, 
juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx writes:
cups and glasses, but in Russian,  the difference between chashka (cup) and 
stakan (glass) is based on shape, not  material.>>I wonder if she meant to 
say the opposite?  To me, in  English, the difference between "cup" and 
"glass" usually is the shape.  Is  that different in Russian?  

I wonder.
But then I would think that:
That glass is made of glass.
is what philosophers (or Witters at any rate) would call a tautology, i.e.  
an item that does not "speak" about the world.
Revising the etymologies may help, though -- or then, confuse one further!  
:) -- below. 
from online source: Etymology Online:
Old English cuppe, from Late Latin cuppa "cup" (source of Italian coppa,  
Spanish copa, Old French coupe "cup"), from Latin cupa "tub, cask, tun, 
barrel,"  from PIE *keup- "a hollow" (cf. Sanskrit kupah "hollow, pit, cave," 
Greek kype  "a kind of ship," Old Church Slavonic kupu, Lithuanian kaupas). 
The Late Latin word was borrowed throughout Germanic; cf. Old Frisian kopp  
"cup, head," Middle Low German kopp "cup," Middle Dutch coppe, Dutch kopje 
"cup,  head." German cognate Kopf now means exclusively "head" (cf. French 
tête, from  Latin testa "potsherd"). Meaning "part of a bra that holds a 
breast" is from  1938. [One's] cup of tea "what interests one" (1932), earlier 
used of persons  (1908), the sense being "what is invigorating."
Old English glæs "glass, a glass vessel," from West Germanic *glasam (cf.  
Old Saxon glas, Middle Dutch and Dutch glas, German Glas, Old Norse gler 
"glass,  looking glass," Danish glar), from PIE *ghel- "to shine, glitter" (cf. 
Latin  glaber "smooth, bald," Old Church Slavonic gladuku, Lithuanian 
glodus "smooth"),  with derivatives referring to colors and bright materials, a 
word that is the  root of widespread words for gray, blue, green, and yellow 
(cf. Old English glær  "amber," Latin glaesum "amber," Old Irish glass 
"green, blue, gray," Welsh glas  "blue;" see Chloe). Sense of "drinking glass" 
early 13c. 
 The glass slipper in "Cinderella" is perhaps an error by Charles  
Perrault, translating in 1697, mistaking Old French voir "ermine, fur" for 
"glass." In other versions of the tale it is a fur slipper. The proverb about  
people in glass houses throwing stones is attested by 1779, but earlier 
forms go  back to 17c.: 
Who hath glass-windows of his own must take heed how he throws  stones at 
his house. ... He that hath a body made of glass must not throw stones  at 
another. [John Ray, "Handbook of Proverbs," 1670] 
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