"There are many problems with both Hart's and Dworkin's distinct accounts of 'the law' but the most fundamental defects in their accounts arise from defects in the "theory of knowledge" they adopt - often without having much clarity that a "theory of knowledge", even of a rudimentary or unarticulated kind, must lie at the back of any proper understanding of 'law': for to understand 'the law' is to have some kind of 'knowledge' (however 'conjectural'), and 'the law' cannot be understood philosophically apart from the cognitive enterprise involved." "'What does the law start from and what is its central character?' are questions fundamental to many legal philosophers. We might ask: where does knowledge of any sort start? It starts with problems and attempts to solve them. And those problems arise from prior problems and prior attempts to solve those prior problems. As a matter of both its history and its proper philosophical understanding, we must understand that current legal problems may be traced back to prior legal problems and these prior legal problems may be traced all the way back to problems that pre-existed the invention of 'the law' as an construct for their solution. (In the light of this it becomes clear that Hart's central idea, the 'rule of recognition', is a myth - and not merely a historical myth but also a philosophical and epistemic-cognitive myth.)" Karl Popper in "Essays in Jurisprudence", a sadly as yet non-existent publication that would be worth reading by any student of law. (However, legal academics at Oxford are not impressed by this sort of thing, as it implies the sort of thing they teach as 'jurisprudence' is not that impressive but largely a mish-mash of half-baked philosophy-lite [which of course of what proper philosophers largely think of it].) Donal Saying the unsayable London And not forgetting: one of Dworkin's teachers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_L._Fuller The entry on Dworkin in Root's Encyclopedia of Knowledge: "Professor of Jurisprudence at the University of Oxford. Says we have a right to pornography. Whatever next?" ________________________________ From: Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, 22 February 2013, 22:16 Subject: [lit-ideas] Ronald Dworkin 1931-2013 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/us/ronald-dworkin-legal-philosopher-dies-at-81.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&; http://www.nybooks.com/contributors/ronald-dworkin-2/ —————————————————— Robert Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html