[lit-ideas] Re: Roman Superstitions

  • From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 16:31:09 +0200

Hm... I am not sure that 'irrational' and 'superstitious' are exact
synonyms. If the Aztecs believed in gods that demand human sacrifices, then
their practices might be said to have been rational, in relation to their
beliefs. But we may still think that these beliefs were superstitious.

O.K.


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Redacted sender Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx for
DMARC <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Were the Aztecs superstitious? (by Roman standards, that is).
>
> In a message dated 5/23/2014 7:51:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> Next, having lectured everyone who has ever  used a phrase like "irrational
> superstition" that they are guilty of otiosity,  we will be told that the
> Bible's "It rained for forty days and forty nights" is  otiose.
>
> Indeed. The problem however is Aramaic in nature.
>
> It may be that in Geary's idiolect, 'That was a fine day' DOES NOT entail,
> "and night too".
>
> Similarly, Cole Porter's song, "Night and day" is possibly otiose, but
> surely "Day" does not scan.
>
> McEvoy:
>
> >having lectured everyone who has ever used a phrase like "irrational
> superstition" that they are guilty of otiosity
>
> This may amount to Moore's paradox.
>
> "It is raining but I don't believe".
>
> It may do to look for examples of first-person 'superstition'  ascriptions:
>
> "I know it is superstitious, but I do believe that p."
>
> "I am superstitious when I think that p, but I can't say I'm ashamed of
> that."
>
> I.e. it would seem the ideal Kantian rational 'ego' of apperception would
> deny superstition _in principle_. Walter O. does, too.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Speranza
>
>
> >It rained for forty days and forty nights.
>
> versus
>
> >It rained for forty days (nights included).
>
> If the 'implicature' is that the rain never stopped, then, the utterer
> indeed does not need to be more informative than is required.
>
> Note, however:
>
> It rained for forty days and forty nights, but not successively.
>
> --- REFERENCES:
> ------ Biblical accounts of the divine flood, and the new film with R.
> Crowe ("We thought of having a voice over repeating the Aramaic lines, "It
> rained for forty days and forty nights" but we found it otiose -- given the
> digital imagery we were displaying.").
>
>
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