[lit-ideas] Re: Religion and politics [clarification]

  • From: "Veronica Caley" <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:57:09 -0400

I copied and pasted the link so anyone interested in source and document could read it for themselves. It copied in my e-mail response but did not show up on lit-ideas. I think there is a beast in my computer.


So, see below, note the source at bottom and Gov. Engler was the Republican governor. He is noted for his tax cutting proclivities. It's partly that and further tax cutting under pressure by Democrats, plus the auto industry debacle that has led to the sorry condition of our state. Please see below. Note that law and penalies apply to anyone, not just doctors.

Veronica
Michigan Governor Signs Bill Making Assisted Suicide a Felony
Lansing -- Governor Engler signed Senate Bill 200, making assisted suicide a felony.

"Starting September 1, 1998 Michigan will have in place legislation to stop individuals from assisting others in committing suicide," said Governor Engler. "It gives prosecutors the tools they need to convict those who assist someone in ending their life. And it will put out of business those who prey on the vulnerable."

The Governor signed SB 200, sponsored by State Senator William Van Regenmorter (R- Hudsonville). The bill amends the Penal Code to create a felony for assisted suicide. It provides for imprisonment of not more than five years, or a fine or not more than $10,000 or both for persons who know that an individual intends to kill him or herself and:

* provides the means to kill or attempt to kill him/herself,
* participates in an act by which the person kills or attempts to kill him/herself, or
* helps the individual plan an attempt or actually take their life.

The new act does not apply to withholding or withdrawing medical treatment, and does not prohibit a prosecutor from using other theories by which to prosecute the defendant.


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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Religion and politics [clarification]


I apologize for my mistake. I should have looked up Supreme Crt. before I said that. This is what I was thinking of.

Michigan Governor Signs Bill Making Assisted Suicide a Felony
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Paul" <rpaul@xxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:33 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Religion and politics [clarification]


David Ritchie wrote

On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Robert Paul wrote:


In 2006, the Supreme Court upheld challenges to the law (based the Bush administration's attempts to prevent doctors from prescribing controlled substances to terminally ill patients) in Gonzales v. Oregon. The vote was 6-3. No other challenges to the law were considered by The Supremes.

http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/ph/pas/faqs.shtml

I read this to say that the Supreme Court upheld the ninth court of appeals' decision, which was to uphold Judge Jones' ruling, which was to uphold the act... and so *reject* challenges. What am I missing? The law is still in effect.

Veronica had written

'And why did the five religious conservatives on the Supreme Court shoot down the death with dignity bill in Oregon? Twice.'

My point was that they hadn't and that Gonzales v. Oregon (a 6-3 win for Oregon) was the only time the Supremes ruled on any aspect of the Oregon law. It was never 'shot down' by them, and as David says, the law is still in effect.

Robert Paul
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