[lit-ideas] Re: Religion and politics
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:39:08 -0700
Mike,
You thought when I began my note “Nonsense Veronica,” I was writing to you.
I forgot that you went by the name “Veronica” at times. Sorry for the mix
up.
Actually, I was responding to a note by Veronica Calley. You must have her
blocked. She is the one who was concerned about the religious beliefs of
our candidates. And since she was vitally concerned about Sarah Palin’s
beliefs, I expanded the subject a bit to take in Obama’s as well.
Yeah, your right, why would Jeremiah Wright, someone who pastored a church
Obama went to for many years possibly have any influence on Obama. Heck,
Obama went to Harvard. How could his less well educated pastor possibly
have any influence on him. When Obama called Wright his mentor he was
probably being condescending and patronizing.
Whereas Palin only attended State sponsored colleges and so is perforce more
susceptible to religious instruction.
No, no, you needn’t go any further, I quite see your point.
I apologize once again . . . Mike!
Lawrence
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On Behalf Of Mike Geary
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:09 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Religion and politics
I know this is all in vain, but God compels me to do it anyway:
LH:
>>Palin: Abstract term: Christian Fundamentalism: Debatable specifics:
opposes abortion, smut, and gay marriage
>>Obama: Abstract term Wright’s Christianity: Debatable specifics: his
racist hatred of white people, his belief in conspiracy theories such as
that White People invented AIDs to kill Black People, his anti-Americanism
>>Which form of Christianity seems most frightening when you think of it
influencing the President of the U.S.?<<
It's all very, very frightening. Christianity has no place in American
government. Nor does any other religion. You know that. That's what
America's all about. Jesus, Lawrence, get a grip.
I don't know if Palin is a Christian Fundamentalist. Don't care. No one I
know cares whether Palin opposes through her religious beliefs abortion or
smut or gay marriage or sex education or Planned Parenthood or any other
social issue, not UNLESS she is inclined to use the powers of the state to
enforce her religious beliefs. Is she inclined that way? That's what I
want to know. That's important to know.
Your pathetic attempts to couple Obama with the Reverend Wright only make
you comical. Is Obama a racist hater of white people? Show me some
instance of that. Has Obama ever asserted that the U. S. Government (not
white people -- you racist you!) invented AIDs to kill black people? Show
me where he said that. Is Jeremiah Wright anti-American? I've never come
across any evidence of it. He's very anti many of the policies and actions
of the United States government. So am I. I've not seen any evidence of
seditious or traitorous words or actions by the Reverend Wright -- only
condemnations of injustice. Is it un-American to condemn injustice? Ah,
Lawrence, you're next president is going to be a "nigger", get used to it.
I'm already celebrating.
Mike Geary
Memphis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:02 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Religion and politics
Nonsense Veronica. Christian Fundamentalists do not intrude themselves into
public policy decisions. They voice their opinions. No one is even
campaigning for a Christian position since Falwell died. Most of them
believe fervently in the separation of church and state like the rest of us.
Most of them, if they are hard-core Fundamentalists, won’t run for office
because “the time is near.”
[snip]
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