In a message dated 2/10/2015 3:21:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx uses the Oxford comma, and writes in "Truth, Justice, and the American Way": I would sure hate to get all worked up only to realize that what I was all worked up over was just mis-presumption on my part Presumably, you are right. I mean, you would sure hate that. On the other hand, if there was something the Romans had but the Greeks didn't is 'præsumptiones', but as Palma would have, it, 'nothing to be presumptuous about, you know'. Cheers, Speranza presumption: mid-13c., "seizure and occupation without right," also "taking upon oneself more than is warranted," from Old French presumcion (12c., Modern French présomption) and directly from Late Latin praesumptionem (nominative praesumptio) "confidence, audacity," in classical Latin, "a taking for granted, anticipation," noun of action from past participle stem ofpraesumere "to take beforehand," from prae "before" (see pre-) + sumere "to take" (see exempt (adj.)). In English, the meaning "the taking of something for granted" is attested from c.1300. Presumptuous preserves the older sense. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html