[lit-ideas] Re: Precendents (should be Precedents of course)
- From: "Simon Ward" <sedward@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:24:13 +0100
My 'you' as in 'as you do' was thoroughly colloquial and was not meant to
signifiy you or anyone else except me and any other people who happen to be
poking around the UN site.
Later you seem to remove yourselve from any historical proposition. Interesting
isn't it that when faced with the proposition that the State of Israel was
founded on terrorism, that topic seems strangely out of bounds.
And when you said: 'Terrorist organizations should be exterminated, not dealt
with diplomatically.' You didn't mean terrorist organizations that were or are
fighting for a cause you believed in. Implicitely, it seems you are saying that
you agree with terrorist activities, providing they are not carried out by
Islamic militants.
Is that the case, Lawrence?
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Precendents (should be Precedents of course)
Simon:
Who is the "you" you refer to? This note doesn't seem to be to me, since I
am not "poking around the UN site," and yet mine is the only name you mention.
As to your question about whether I would have opposed the Irgun, my comment
pertained to Militant Islam, the subject under discussion. I did not have the
American Revolutionists, the Apaches, the French Resistance or the Irgun in
mind.
Lawrence
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From: Simon Ward
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Precendents
I've been poking around the UN site (as you do), and found a page on the
'Palestine Problem'.
During 1947, the UN set up a Special Committee which as part of its tenure
was dispatched to Palestine.
Quote:
During its five weeks in Palestine, the Special Committee was involved in
more than official hearings. Almost immediately after its arrival in Jerusalem,
the Special Committee was drawn into a case in which a death sentence to three
members of the Irgun for terrorist activities was awaiting confirmation by the
High Commissioner. An Irgun leader, Mr. Menachem Begin, had warned that the two
British sergeants, kidnapped by the Irgun, would be killed as a reprisal if the
death sentences were carried out. The Special Committee received a petition
from the families of the condemned men, pleading that it intercede. The issue,
presenting a dilemma to the Special Committee concerning its competence, was
discussed in closed meetings, which resulted in the Special Committee passing a
resolution expressing "concern as to the possible unfavourable repercussions
that execution of the three death sentences ... might have upon the fulfilment
of the task (of the Special Committee) ...", and forwarding the letter to the
United Nations Secretary-General, informing the families that it would also be
forwarded to the Mandatory Power. 33/ The British Government responded that the
case was:
"... still sub judice. If the sentences are confirmed by the General
Officer Commanding, it will then be open to the High Commissioner for Palestine
to exercise, if he thinks fit, the royal prerogative of pardon delegated to him
by His Majesty. It is the invariable practice of His Majesty's Government not
to interfere with the High Commissioner's discretion whether or not to exercise
this prerogative;..." 34/
Shortly after the Special Committee left Palestine, the three condemned men
were executed, and the two British sergeants killed in reprisal in a wider wave
of violence.
Unquote
"The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem:1917-1988"
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/d442111e70e417e3802564740045a309!OpenDocument#In%20favour%3A%20Australia,%20Belgium,%20B
Now in a recent post, Lawrence declared that:
Terrorist organizations should be exterminated, not dealt with
diplomatically.
To use his font (and colour).
So, Lawrence, what would yourr response have been to Irgun's demands. Would
you have allowed them to found a state?
Simon
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