Robert writes, > > To say that the conditional 'if p then q' is 'problematic' because the > determination of p requires (?) that one make one observation and the > determination of q requires that one make another tells us nothing about > the conditional. The conditional—usually the first step in > modus-ponens—is completely general and is moreover indifferent to the > actual truth or falsity of whatever propositions are substituted for 'p' > and 'q' respectively. Who here would disagree? The conditional, as defined in logic, works precisely in the way described. One might as well sneer at Euclidean geometry for being what it is; though, however, the view that non-Euclidean geometries may better describe the real universe might give one pause about that "completely general." The problem is not with logic per se, but with people who assume that "if p then q" is an accurate description of what ever they are talking about, when the relation between the "p's" and "q's" may not be so straightforward. Bourdieu touches on this problem when he writes, "To slip from _regularity_, i.e., from what recurs with a certain statistically measurable frequency and from the formula which describes it, to a consciously laid down and consciously respected _ruling_..., or to unconscious _regulating_ by a mysterious cerebral or social mechanism, are the two commonest ways of sliding from the model of reality to the reality of the model In the first case, one moves from a rule which, to take up Quine's distinction (1972) between _to fit_ and _to guide_, fits the observed regularity in a purely descriptive way, to a rule that governs, directs or orients behaviour -- which presupposes that it is known and recognized and can therefore be stated -- thereby succumbing to the most elementary form of legalism, that form of finalism which is perhaps the most widespread of the spontaneous theories of practice and which consists in proceeding as if practices had as their principle conscious obedience to consciously devised and sanctioned rules.... "In the second case, one acquires the means of proceeding as if the principle (if not the end) of the action were the theoretical model one has to construct in order to account for it, without however falling into the most flagrant naiveties of legalism, by setting up as the principle of practices or institutions objectively governed by rules unknown to the agents.... Robert also writes, > > > I'll admit that my eyebrows were singed by the reference to ivory > towers, and I was blown clean over by the implication that those safe in > them are concerned with transmitting a useless formalism to students who > will in their turn repeat this inbred process &c. This is, I suggest, a misreading. No general systems theorist I have read would assert that the formalisms of standard logic or statistics are useless. The claim is that the domains in which they apply to real-world decision making are restricted in a way that excludes a large (some would say the largest) chunk of reality. On a personal note, I found the year of logic I took as a freshman at Michigan State one of the most important components in my education. If I sound a bit harsh when I write about the ivory tower, that is, to be sure, the odor of sour grapes creeping through; the academic career I imagined was not the way my life turned out. That said, my non-academic career has made me acutely aware of how rarely human judgments are made with the leisure and access to information that non-academics unfamiliar with office hours, faculty meetings, and the other impedimenta of academic life assume that professors enjoy. So I smile knowingly when I read Deirdre McCloskey writing, in _the Rhetoric of Economics_, that she and her fellow economists do a good job of teaching facts and logic, but a lousy job of communicating the importance of story and metaphor, leaving students unable to distinguish between good stories and bad ones. I nod my head, "Yes, yes," as I read Bourdieu comparing practical decision making to playing football (by which he means soccer), where stopping to think through all possible moves will leave the player flatfooted. I read Gary Klein talking about a fireman standing on a roof, which is suddenly hotter than it ought to be, who is dead if he can't respond instantly without stopping to think through his options. I think of all the people who inhabit my world and are forced to make time-pressured decisions based on insufficient information. That is the life from which I offer my interjections, hoping to learn something from the way our philosophers respond to them. John -- John McCreery The Word Works, Ltd., Yokohama, JAPAN Tel. +81-45-314-9324 http://www.wordworks.jp/