Omar K. was wondering about a reference to Davidson: "Well, if Davidson really thought "that you cannot have a 'sentence' ("The cat sat on the mat") without the BELIEF (or opinion) to the effect that the cat sat on the mat." he must have been stark mad. I am thinking that this is probably a misunderstanding. [...] Okay, we might say that lying, if successful, requires at least one person to believe it, but if there is no way of accounting for jokes, fictions, second/language teaching examples, examples on Lit/ideas etc., without presupposing 'belief' in the proposition, this is basically ridiculous." A bit of context may be in order. The reference to Davidson came from P. Enns, who was quoting Davidson as, as it were, a way to illuminate the prose of Heidegger (specifically Heidgger's writings on the nature of language -- the early and the later Heidegger, in conjunction). Let us have that first-hand quote again. Perhaps after that, we can immerse onto the question of the priority or alleged priority (as per Davidson) of opinions over utterances that Omar K. is, in my reading, addressing: P. Enns had written: "Alongside the importance of Heidegger's essay, 'The question concerning technology', which discusses instrumental reason and the role of technique [...,] I would also add Heidegger's work on language in *Being and Time* as well as his later essays, such as 'The way to language'. In these writings, Heidegger explores the ways in which language is constitutive of understanding and the intelligibility of the world, not as a tool or lens with which we encounter the world, as though language were something through which we picture, represent or refer to the world, but rather as being human. Whether it is in his discussion of how language is a necessary condition for human life in the world, or the way in which language precedes our understanding of the world, Heidegger tries to show us that language is much more than a means of communication. While the later Heidegger does occasionally indulge in a mystification of language, in both the early and later writings, his aim, to borrow a phrase from Davidson, is to re-establish unmediated touch with the familiar objects whose antics make our sentences and opinions true or false." To re-word: To re-establish unmediated (i.e. _sans_ representation?) touch with the familiar objects (such as cats and mats) whose antics (notably the cat) make our sentencs AND OPINIONS [my emphasis -- Speranza] true [...]." We now corroborate, thanks to P. Enns, that the quote comes from Davidson's sort of famous 'conceptual scheme' essay. In trying to elaborate on the Davidson quote, I ended up emphasising the role of 'representation' (not a word Davidson uses admittedly). And I thought of bringing in Peacocke (who's written extensively on this, and, in my view, brilliantly). And, I thought of ALSO bringing, 'into the bargain', as it were, Popper -- since McEvoy has a serious interest in this philosopher and it looked as if Popper's Kantianism may contradict some of Davidson's points -- and _a fortiori_, Heidegger: that there is such a thing as an unmediated touch with stuff. (I hope my phrasing is clear!) Omar notes: "Well, if Davidson really thought "that you cannot have a 'sentence' ("The cat sat on the mat") without the BELIEF (or opinion) to the effect that the cat sat on the mat." he must have been stark mad. I am thinking that this is probably a misunderstanding. ... Okay, we might say that lying, if successful, requires at least one person to believe it, but if there is no way of accounting for jokes, fictions, second/language teaching examples, examples on Lit/ideas etc., without presupposing 'belief' in the proposition, this is basically ridiculous." Yes. It may be interesting to emphasise that Davidson is speaking of 'sentences and opinions' in the quoted passage -- where 'opinion' must stand for belief (or some such 'cognitive' psychological attitude -- versus a conative one such as 'desire', which are fulfilled or not, rather than true or false). But this should perhaps trigger, if we are in the right philosophical mood, a broader question. It is easy enough, after all, alla Davidson, to ascribe truth to sentences -- rather than to opinions. This is the Tarski schema. Yet, in some conceptions of knowledge (notably the one one and again contradicted by McEvoy) it is _beliefs_ that are primarily true, not sentences -- Plato's Theaetetus, the earliest source possibly, as cited by Gettier. Davidson has gone on record as a symmetricalist: he cannot have an opinion without a sentence and vice versa -- this is for him both an epistemological AND an ontological point. (I was inspired into this interpretation of Davidson's philosophy by Anita Avramides DPhil dissertation at Oxford, advised by Strawson). On the other hand, for those philosophers who have explored the idea of content (as Peacocke has -- as in his book, "Content", Blackwell, but also in his inaugural lecture as Waynflete Professor of Metaphysics at Oxford), the role of representation becomes crucial. In Peacocke's case, it is perceptual content that counts, which may brings a dose of scepticism to Davidson's realist (if that's what it is, even scientific-realist) idea that there is or should be or could be an unmediated touch with familiar things and their antics -- I would NOT use 'object' which presupposes a full epistemology alla Kant). Alston (in his classic "Philosophy of Language") famously (or is it infamously cites Grice (a favourite philosopher of mine) as an 'ideationist', alla Locke. For Locke, indeed, there is 'mediate' signification, and 'immediate' signfiication. And this may relate to Davidson's use of 'unmediated' in the quote provided by Enns. Locke, Alston says, holds that words SIGNIFY, immediately, the IDEAS in the mind of he or she who uses them -- but they signify, or aim at signifying, mediately, the THINGS for which these ideas stand -- hence (I think) what Popper, elsewhere, refers to as the new 'way of ideas' (which becomes, eventually, the title of Grice's posthumous book). Perhaps talk of representation as keyword here sounds pretentious. It shouldn't, I hope! Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html