Walter O. wrote: "Phil presupposes something I think we can justifiably deny: the view that pseudo-beliefs can 'do all the work that beliefs normally do.' But rationally acquired and justified beliefs are efficacious precisely because they are evidence-based, and thus more likely to be true or correct than pseudo-beliefs." But a belief is efficacious, not because it comes with evidence but because, by definition, it has a use, a place in experience. This usefulness is independent of the reasons and justifications we may give to help understand why we do what we do. Just as a knuckleball works, or does not, regardless of whether the pitcher holds attendant reasons and justifications regarding the relevant physics, so also our beliefs about taxes, love or the Good work, or do not, regardless of whether we hold attendant reasons and justifications. This independence of usefulness from reasons and justifications is important for beliefs because there will be times when we don't have reasons and justifications at hand. Who has the time, inclination or ability to have reasons and justifications for all the various beliefs we hold? But this doesn't stop us from holding beliefs about taxes, love or the Good. Sometimes we turn to traditions where beliefs have endured over time and space, and so people identify with political parties, religions or other sources of identity. And sometimes we just shrug our shoulders and say something like, 'Well, I just believe that I am in love', because, at a certain point, that is all one can do. One can call these beliefs, 'pseudo-beliefs', but I suspect most of our beliefs fall under this category, and perhaps these would include the beliefs we care about the most, certainly those that involve ethical and aesthetic judgments. So, I suppose one can dismiss certain kinds of beliefs as 'pseudo-beliefs', but it isn't clear to me why this is a good thing. Walter O. adds: "I'll postpone for now comment on Phil's very interesting (but I believe) false idea that a language-game, as understood by Witters, is political. I submit that believing-that, like knowing-that, is an epistemological matter, having nothing to do with politics." The decision on what counts as a rule within a game cannot be based solely on criteria internal to the game. Instead, these decisions will be based, in part, on things like what group within a society was more influential, who was elected to the governing body or who had the most/biggest weapons. In short, politics. I know for many people, the word 'politics' is a bad thing, but I am increasingly of the belief that it is a really good thing, and we should have more of it. Sincerely, Phil Enns Soon to be enjoying the culinary and tropical delights of Malaysia and Singapore ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html