Robert Paul wrote: 'But as this discussion came about when someone denied that a certain did not exist, it essentially involves such things.' He meant, But as this discussion came about when someone denied that a certain right EXISTED, it essentially involves such things. As Mirembe said, logical consistency is a universal obligation. Robert Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html