JL: This message of yours only just appeared in my inbox this morning. I have occasionally had that same problem: posts appearing long after I posted them, but this may be a record. You mention Pausanias. He is an interesting fellow. Although not built along the heroic lines of Leonidas, he apparently thought he was, and that got him into trouble. Being a great general did not garner him the Spartan esteem he thought he deserved. The Spartans valued a great hero who proved himself on the field of battle above that of a great general who led his armies to success in a war. The actual crime that caused him to ?be walled up in the temple of Athena of the Brazen house and starved to death? was intriguing with the Helots, the Spartan slaves. Later, after Pausanias? death, and the Spartans were running low on warrior-citizens, they did grant Helots ?a conditional form of freedom in return for military service. ?Only later, after recourse to the Delphic Oracle, was Pausanias posthumously rehabilitated and given an unprecedented token of honour in the form of two bronze commemorative statues. Much later still his name was linked with that of Leonidas as recipient of annual games held in their joint honour.? Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:38 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Lust & Löb >Even though he hopes to get them for less than $24, there are probably a lot >more than 350 by now. --- And that's the good thing about it. Loeb groweth eternally. They have surpassed the 500, by now, which was celebrated with the publication of I forget what -- it's in their site. I think it's a good thing that it's updating, as I hope to see the day when they publish PARMENIDES Other Presocratic fragments, etc. --- although what they have so far is pretty good, it's good to look for additions. --- I don't really 'collect' them in that I will present them to this public library which delights in cataloguing things. So they will be more pleased say with a copy for A B C D E ... F with different authors for each letter, than, say, the 11 volumes under "P" in PAUSANIAS. I'm trying to get hold of the earliest volumes in each set, although sometimes it's later volumes that are more interesting. E.g. PLINY discusses sculpture in Book 38! Professionally (if that's the word I hate) I'd be concerned with the PHILOSOPHY titles, which are quite a bunch. And I tend to be very symmetrical in my ordering: it's always ONE GREEK and one ROMAN. I don't want the Swimming Pool Library to look _unbalanced_. At one time I conceived the idea of collecting only the green (Greek) volumes, and I may still change my mind! But I'm finding the red (Roman) volumes rather funny (at parts). And although red is tackier a colour than the excellent green (They used to do it in leather purple, the Latin ones), it will look nice by the Pool! -- Providing she does not splash them as she leaps. Cheers, JL Speranza OPEN APPEAL -- if you, darling lurker, find a nice reasonably priced SECOND-HAND volume of Loeb in that dark corner of yes, that old bookshop that nobody visits, and you can get it for $3, let me have that number! J. L. Speranza Custodian/Praefector/Duce The Swimming Pool Library by the River Plate St. Michæl Hall Calle 58, No. 611 La Plata B1900BPY Buenos Aires, The Argentine -- Talking about "Michael" I read about the origin of the name being Greek, -- will share when I find details. (Yes, I know it's Hebrew, but there was a similar Greek name that someone had, and was co-referential). _____ Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest <http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001> products and top <http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop000 30000000002> money wasters of 2007.