Fatherland, Motherland -- Not been able to trace the discussion, but something below. Cheers, Speranza --- _http://www.dailywritingtips.com/motherland-or-fatherland/_ (http://www.dailywritingtips.com/motherland-or-fatherland/) 1711 -- motherland: a country as producer of anything; one’s native country "fatherland" precedes "motherland". "It’s not surprising that fatherland would be the term for one’s native country in any language that has any historical association with the Romans; the Latin word for “fatherland” is patria." ---- From Short/Lewis, "Latin Dictionary", Oxford. C. Subst. 1. pātrĭa , ae (old gen. patrial, Lucr. 1, 41), f (sc. terra) ----> i.e. the idea being that 'patria' is short for 'patria terra', fatherly land -- but cfr. Verdi on 'patrio suol', etc. a. One's fatherland, native land or country, native place. Quotes erilis patria, salve,” Plaut. Stich. 5, 2, 2: eram imperator in patriā meā id. Ps. 4, 7, 75: patria, quae communis est omnium nostrum parens. Cic. Cat. 1, 7, 17: omnes omnium caritates patria una complexa est. id. Off. 1, 17, 57: o pater, o patria, o Priami domus, Enn. ap. Cic. Tusc. 3, 19, 44 (Trag. v. 118 Vahl.); cf.: o patria, o divum domus Ilium, Poët. ap. Serv. Verg. A. 2, 241; imitated by Verg. l. l.: o Romule, Romule die, Qualem te patriae custodem di genuerunt, Enn. ap. Cic. Rep. 1, 41, 64 (Ann. v. 116 Vahl.): patriā Atheniensis an Lacedaemonius Cic. Inv. 1, 24, 35: Hispaniam sibi antiquam patriam esse, Sall. Fragm. ap. Serv. Verg. A. 1, 380.— b. A dwelling-place, home: habuit alteram loci patriam, alteram juris Cic. Leg. 2, 2, 5: Italiam quaero patriam Verg. A. 1, 380; cf. id. ib. 11, 25: exuere patriam Tac. H. 5, 5; cf. id. Agr 32: patria major = μητρόπολις, the mother-city of colonists, Curt. 4, 15, 5.—Hence, prov.: patria est, ubicumque est bene, Poët. (prob. Pacuv.) ap. Cic. Tusc. 5, 37, 108: quia propheta in suā patriā honorem non habet Vulg. Johan. 4, 44; id. Marc. 6, 4; id. Luc. 4, 24.—Poet. of things; Nilus, Qui patriam tantae tam bene celat aquae, the home, i. e. the source, Ov. Am. 3, 6, 40: nimborum in patriam Verg. A. 1, 51: divisae arboribus patriae id. G. 2, 116; cf.: una atque eadem est vini patria atque magistri Juv. 11, 161. —* ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html