In a message dated 9/16/2004 7:21:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, NYCEric@xxxxxxxxxx writes: I think it brings us no nearer to understanding what Shakespeare's audience understood by "Sitting like Patience on a Monument." Couldn't they merely have relished the redundancy of Patience --personified virtue--rendered even more patient by being set in stone? ---- Nay. For the phrase to be _actually_ redundant it would run, "Like Patience, sitting _patiently_ on a monument". The whole point that Geary, Chase, and Ritchie are arguing is that there are different _ways_ of sitting on a monument, and Ritchie wonders which was Patience's was? (in the collective imaginary of The Globe audience). Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html