--- JulieReneB@xxxxxxx wrote: > The Quran, Islam's holy book, is unequivocal in sura > (chapter) 4, verse 157: > "They said 'We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, > the Messenger of Allah' â?? > but they killed him not, nor crucified him. But so > it was made to appear to > them. And those who differ therein are full of > doubts with no knowledge, but > only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they > killed him not." Oh, now I see. There are few passages in the Kuran that are really unequivocal, but this seems to me to be a (politically correct) misreading. Here is the translation I have, with some context: [4.155] Therefore, for their breaking their covenant and their disbelief in the communications of Allah and their killing the prophets wrongfully and their saying: Our hearts are covered; nay! Allah set a seal upon them owing to their unbelief, so they shall not believe except a few. [4.156] And for their unbelief and for their having uttered against Marium a grievous calumny. [4.157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. [4.158] Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. (The Women, 155-58) "They" and (in 157.) "we" referes to the Jews who have abandoned the ways of faith and obedience to Allah, thus breaking the covenant with him. (This theme appears in several places in the Kuran.) Thus, 157. is surely not meant to suggest that crucifixion literally did not happen, but to emphasize the essential powerlessness of those who do mischief. The physical world is just an illusion, thus when Jesus' killers thought they were killing him they were actually only killing an illusion of him on the Earth. In the reality that is epitomized by Allah, he continues to live, which is of course consistent with the Christian doctrine of resurrection. ("Allah took him to himself.") But I don't see how this could be taken to excuse the crime or to suggest that it never happened. O.K. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html