[lit-ideas] Re: Palma as such
- From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 15:16:07 +0200
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On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 2:37 PM, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> did you ever consider the main gricean order (called avoid BS, in layman's
> lingo)?
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> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Redacted sender Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx for
> DMARC <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Palma makes a point about avoiding 'otiosities' in conversation. He
>> advises
>> us to "avoid the locution "as such" - it is purely bullshit thrown in to
>> show that one speaks with the literati. Consider," he says, "what is
>> meaning as such?" and contrast with "what is meaning?". Implicature: You
>> see: no
>> distinction. Only, perhaps a _fine_ or nice (literally nescius) Griceian
>> distinction. He adds: "If anyone has a non trivial case to be made for the
>> use of 'as such' I am unable to fathom it."
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>> In a message dated 4/30/2014 8:14:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx writes:
>> palma as such is the name of an Island in Spain.
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>> According to Short's and Lewis's Latin Dictionary, 'palma', as such,
>> refers
>> to the palm of the hand. All other usages, are, as such, then, derivative
>> -- or 'transferred' from the original etymon.
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>> Cheers,
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>> Speranza
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>> Short and Lewis state that the Romans started to use 'palma' as a
>> transliteration of Greek παλάμη. Cognate with Sanscrit, "phal", to open.
>> As
>> such, 'palma' was used by the Romans to refer, first and foremost, to:
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>> i. the palm of the hand.
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>> There are at least fifteen transferred uses of 'palma' as such, i.e. the
>> palm of the hand.
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>> ii. (pars pro toto.) the hand.
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>> iii. the sole of a goose's foot (Plin. 10, 22, 27, § 52)
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>> iv. the broad end or blade of an oar (Non. 151, 27).
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>> v. a palm-tree, a palm.
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>> vi. the FRUIT of the palm-tree, a date (poet.) (Ov. F. 1, 185)
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>> vii. a palm-branch, e. g. which was suspended in wine to make it sweeter
>> (Cato, R. R. 113).
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>> viii. a broom made of palm-twigs (Hor. S. 2, 4, 83)
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>> ix. a palm-branch or palm-wreath, as a token of victory, dedicated to
>> Jupiter.
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>> x. a token or badge of victory, the palm or prize; and still more gen.,
>> victory, honor, glory, pre-eminence.
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>> xi. the topmost twig or branch of any tree (Liv. 33, 5, 10)
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>> xii. a branch on a tree (Plin. 17, 23, 35, § 202)
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>> xiii. the fruit of an Egyptian tree (Plin. 12, 22, 47, § 103)
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>> xiv. an aromatic plant growing in Africa and Syria (Plin. 12, 28, 62, §
>> 134)
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>> xv. a marine plant, Plin. 13, 25, 49, § 138.
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>> Finally, the use that Palma takes as being 'as such' as such.
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>> xvi. A town in the Balearic islands (Plin. 3, 5, 11, § 77).
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