John, We have ample evidence that the Middle East doesn't go berserk if they suffer a defeat. They've been suffering them for quite a long time. We heard that fear expressed as we went into Afghanistan and again as we went into Iraq. Our actions were supposed to turn the Middle East into a powder keg and upped the membership in Al Quaeda by quantum leaps. That didn't happen. And it won't happen this time if we have the courage to do what is right and "render harmless" Iran's nuclear weapons. I have read the arguments and never saw the one you put in the mouths of the Neocons (whoever they are). I don't believe any in the administration thought that. What the administration did hope for was the removal of a major impediment in the war against the terrorists and that has been achieved. Also, if Iraq can be turned into a western-type democracy then there is hope that that will have a beneficial effect on surrounding nations. War isn't our first choice but eventually the threat seems substantial enough to do something about. Iraq got to that point. Iran is now getting there. The madman was across the table from John. He loaded his gun, and the bar keep recalls John shouting "this isn't real. Take this all away. I don't accept any of this." I suppose that's why the town chipped in and got a nice stone for him. You can see it out there in Boot Hill: "Here lies John. He didn't think it was real." Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John McCreery Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:03 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Ought we to do something about Iran? If people are going to ridicule Geary, I will ridicule Helm. Of the silliness and stupidity of gunfighter examples there is no end. You take the madman's gun and, then..... What do you do about the madman's 68 million relatives and their billion plus cousins who still have guns and are convinced that the man with the loaded gun is not only crazy but a homicidal threat to them? The gunfighter analogy is on a par with the neocon argument pre-Iraq that all we had to do was knock off Saddam, be greated with cheers and showers of roses, install a free market democracy, and all would be so well. Idiocy, in the strict sense. -- John McCreery The Word Works, Ltd. 55-13-202 Miyagaya, Nishi-ku Yokohama 220-0006, JAPAN ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html