[lit-ideas] Re: Origins of British Jihad
- From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:51:34 +0100
SS>CONTRARY TO COMMON WISDOM, Muslim
SS> radicalism in the United Kingdom is not rooted in
SS>grievance against British, American, Israeli, or
SS>other Western policies. Nor is it a reaction to fear or
SS>prejudice by non-Muslims. It originates in a specific
SS>ideology imported to the country by two generations
SS> of Sunni Muslim radicals from Pakistan
This kind of comment's just so thoughtless and also
so ignorant; so lacking in any knowledge of what's known
about rebellion and in any real knowledge of the 7/7
bombers. (We have accounts, including a most detailed
one that can I believe be independently corroborated, of
the 7/7 people's anger at US/UK policy and the treatment
of "Muslims" by "the West"; they showed videos,
produced leaflets, etc., about this.)
Also, the Pakistani population here has been the target of
more racism than any other. (More here)
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terrorism/july-dec06/pakistan_08-11.html
Monocasual explanations of radicalism are just unhelpful.
SS>British authorities could vet the appointment of clerics in
SS>mosques and it would be helpful if they replaced imported
SS>fanatics with reputable domestic scholars
Overt "vetting" is of course not on but there's certainly a need
for a new generation of Imams whose first language is British,
partly so young Muslims can relate to them, and for them
to replace imported clerics; Tariq Ramadan, who can't get into
the US so is living in Oxford, argues precisely that.
http://www.tariqramadan.com/article.php3?id_article=746&lang=en
LH>I am not clear, despite Schwartz article, on what tipped
LH> the Dobandis toward Jihad against the West.
Schwartz seems to be saying that Deobandis changed from being
peaceful
SS>In the aftermath of the Afghan war of the 1980s
-- I don't know who the "Saudi agents" are
Incidentally you (in the US) will have more information than
I do about the details of the current alleged plot as our papers
can't publish anything that might prejudice the trial (the
New York Times apparently barred UK readers from its
story about police investigations).
Judy
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Origins of British Jihad
This is an interesting article. We knew, of course, that the
Afghan Taliban were "theological students" in the Deobandi
school, but I wasn't aware or had forgotten that the Deobandis
had been influenced by the Wahhabs (I assume that is what
Schwartz means by "Saudi agents," i.e., agents of Wahhabism). I
knew that Maududi had his own school and there was some
amalgamation. He was as militant as the Deobandi or Wahhabs in
terms of fundamentalism. I am not clear, despite Schwartz
article, on what tipped the Dobandis toward Jihad against the
West. I expected to hear that Qutb or Maududi were in there some
place but Schwartz doesn't mention them.
So who were these Saudi agents and what were they agents of?
Wahhabs claim that they don't advocate Jihad. If they were
agents of Al Quaeda, all would be clear, but Schwartz doesn't say
that.
Lawrence
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