LH: >>After spending all that time explaining that Liberal Democracy cannot and >>will not be advanced by military means, you are assuming that I said the >>opposite.<< Oh. So when you wrote: "If (a conditional word) world peace can be achieved by means of the spread of Liberal-Democracy, shouldn't it be favored by pacifists EVEN IF IT MEANS A FEW WARS HERE AND THERE to prevent Liberal-Democracy from losing ground..." [my emphasis] you didn't mean 'war' like in killing people. You meant war like in, uh, hmmm, well uh, huh -- what did you mean? Please tell me by what jesuitical sleight of thought a pacifist can be brought to support any program that would mean "a few wars"? I know there's a 'fist' in 'pacifist', but that doesn't mean Pax Fisticuffs. I don't blame you for being irritated by my sarcasm, but honestly, Lawrence! Try better bait if your want to do some serious fishing. Mike Geary