LH>you, the pacifists, aren't you interested in supporting this process Lawrence, only one person on this list has declared themselves a pacifist. I suspect your "pacifists" is just as much a straw man as your "Leftists" (formerly, "Marxist-Liberals") Judy Evans, Cardiff ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:53 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: On the prospect of World Peace I wish you'd read my notes. I hate repeating myself. Pay attention. There was Gulf I. Saddam was not defeated. The war didn't end. There was a truce. There was only one war that extended from Gulf 1 to Gulf 2. Think about it. Gulf 1 never ended. It was never declared over. There was only a truce. Saddam was supposed to live up to the truce. He didn't. He set out to punish people who had turned against him so American and British plance overflew Iraq from the time of Gulf 1 to Gulf 2. I