On the Pragmatics of Peace>>Did we learn anything from our colossal WW I foreign-affairs blunders? Perhaps a little. We didn't totally disarm after World War Two, but we were wanting to.<< We learned that if you kick people when they're down, they'll get up and start punching back. The Marshall Plan was "embracing Peace", Lawrence, and it made all the difference in the world. I don't understand what could be more obvious. Again, if you want Peace, you must embrace peace, otherwise you'll have war. >>Wilson as inept as he was at foreign affairs at least made commitments that >>he thought would further peace, but his commitments were repudiated by an >>isolationist congress. << And how would you have voted had you been a congressman then? >>If you disarm a little then you can expect a 9/11. If you disarm a little >>more, you can expect a Pearl Harbor. If you disarm more still you can expect >>a Battle of Britain and you had better hope you have an American >>ace-in-the-hole who can send you enough equipment to keep you going.<< And if you disarm totally, you can expect peace. Now, you know damn good and well that I'm not advocating we throw away all our weapons tomorrow and just hope for the best. What I am strongly advocating is making it a priority of the highest order that we work through the United Nations toward putting into place international institutions with the authority to handle international disputes and eventually to dissolve all national boundaries. That's right, guy, I hope someday to see the eradication of the United States of America as well as every other country. It's coming, trust me. But no need to run to your bunker just yet. It'll take time, but we've no other choice except to begin -- "we must love one another or die" as Auden said (but love's not very likely -- policies and programs and institutions are very possible though). One World! One World! One World! Come on, Lawrence, get with the program. One World! One World! One World! >> I have an aversion to skipping over the pragmatic steps one must take to >> achieve the important goal Peace.<< So do I. >>But when we suggest that a small war might be necessary to achieve a larger >>peace, minds around us go blank.<< Sometimes, goddamnit, you've just got to destroy a village to save it -- right? Pacifist punks can't handle the truth. What this world needs is real men who won't shrink from blowing children to smithereens -- either with a bomb belt or a B52 bomber. >> What are your mystical steps, I ask?<< See above. >>If some sound were to emanate from these Peace Mystics, I would wager it >>would in no way echo<< I hope Lawrence numbers me among the "Peace Mystics", I've always wanted to be a mystic. To see the invisible connections, how it all comes together. But I get too hungry for fasting more than 6 hours, too cold in the desert night for sleeping, and the acetic life is just too boring without regularly occurring visions -- but I know those visions are out there, too many have seen them: the more famous ones: Buddha and Jesus and Francis of Assisi and Rumi and Gandhi and King and Dorothy Day and who knows? maybe even Barach Obama. Mystics are not technicians. They don't craft policies, the technicians do, mystics give the technicians their marching orders. Mike Geary Memphis