In a message dated 5/26/2004 9:56:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, Henninge@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: One is the distinction between internal and external properties of the objects. The internal properties are logical, are in his logical space. Basically, color is an external property. ----- I'm not sure I understand this. I understand Wittgenstein was familiar with both propositional and predicate logic. In predicate logic, something like "There is a blue book (Wittgenstein's) on the table" would come out as Ex.Fx & Gx & Hx where "F" refers to the property, "being a book" "G" " " "being blue" "H" " " "being on the table. Ditto, "all crows are black" comes out as (x) Fx -> Gx For every x, if x is a black, x is black. The point being that 'colour' looks like a pretty _logical_ (internal) property in that it gets a representation in the logical form of what you are trying to say. As opposed to 'beautiful': That blue Picasso is beautiful. would come out as (!)(ix) Fx & Gx The x is blue and the x is Picasso, and BUY IT (or admire it)! ('beautiful' can have just an 'emotive' meaning -- does not represented in the logical form). Some colour words do tend to have 'connotative associations' -- 'Red!' -- but that's surely implicatural. If Wittgenstein meant to say that 'external' properties are _perceiving subject_-relative, then most in life generally is. Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html