>>Computers don't read numbers. They only read binary states: on or off. It is 1 am and I just realized what a number is. Vexing, maddening question. Robert and Paul--take note, please. Before I forget. I must not let this contribution go to waste. This is my theory: There are only two fundamental numbers. 0 and 1. Everything else is a combination of them, fundamentally speaking. But what do they "mean"; what "are" they? Platonic forms? The concept of Platonic forms is too confusing to denote anything unambiguous. What numbers are, perhaps, is: fundamental, irreducible cognitive units by means of which thought proceeds. Switces, quanta, discrete mental/ chemical events by means of which we order perception into 2 fundamental states: 0= nothing, non-existence, emptiness 1= something, everything, existence (ousia, origin, genesis...) Everything proceeds from there. Could it not be so? The mind is perhaps binary, and its fundamental units by which thought proceeds is 0 and 1---being vs. nothingness. The idea of numbers is the idea of a fundamental distinction between something and nothing. By means of this distinction, nature and perception become quantifiable, understandable, iterable. Numbers are mnemonic ways of making sense of perception. 0 and 1, as pure numbers, make, not only thinking, but perception itself possible. They may be the deepest structure of perception. I'm not really joking, just freestyling--sorry if this sounds kind of silly and amateurish, this is a profound question, but I can not expand more now, just taking a stab in the dark. I'm sure it must have been said before somewhere. Good night-- Alex Trifan/ Boston ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html