[lit-ideas] Re: Nuclear Responsibility and Iran
- From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:38:29 -0600
RP:
The Japanese Americans who were interned in various 'relocation' camps in
the West could leave camps to live and work east of the Cascades/Sierra
Nevadas and west of the Alleghenies (if they could find jobs) or to
attend schools or colleges in the same region--and,
Fine, then. Fine. Destroy a List's faith in a poster. At least I don't
have to depend upon facts to argue.
Mike Geary
Memphis
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From: "Robert Paul" <rpaul@xxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:16 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Nuclear Responsibility and Iran
Certainly FDR's imprisonment of U. S.
citizens of Japanese descent was akin to Stalin's tactics except that
we didn't put them to forced labor or starve them -- but we undoubtedly
would have killed them had they tried to escape.
The Japanese Americans who were interned in various 'relocation' camps
in the West could leave camps to live and work east of the
Cascades/Sierra Nevadas and west of the Alleghenies (if they could
find jobs) or to attend schools or colleges in the same region--and,
eligible men could of course, leave to join the US Army. A small few,
in fact, found jobs in New York and New Jersey, somehow getting around
these provisions.
At the time the order excluding Americans of Japanese descent from the
West Coast was issued in February 1943, those subject to it had the
same opportunity; they could go to this inland region instead of to
camp--again, if they could find jobs or a place in a college or
university. Those in Camp Minidoka, near Twin Falls, in southern
Idaho, could go into Twin Falls unescorted, and could work during the
day in the seasonal harvests. I don't know of any internees' being
'shot while trying to escape' anywhere. (Minidoka is the camp I know
most about; conditions may have been different in different camps but
the criteria for being able to leave a camp were the same for all.)
I mention this because while then we had internment, now we have
Guantanamo, 'special rendition,' and warrantless spying. More
importantly, although it's clear that Japanese-Americans' civil rights
were violated, they did not lose a right which has now been taken away
from every citizen under various parts of the Patriot Act, the right
to bring cases and to have them heard. Their cases were tried in open
court under the same rules that would apply to anyone bringing a case
aqainst the Government. Their identities were known. The proceedings
in the cases they brought were open to the public. The petitioners had
not been hidden away in secret locations. And so on.
It depresses but does not surprise me that this Administration's legal
chicanery is likened to what was done by Roosevelt or Truman--or by
any other president--and that it is somehow no worse than what had
been done. It is different in magnitute. It is different in kind, and
it has no parallel in US history.
Here are the transcripts of the Supreme Court's findings in two famous
cases brought by Japanese Americans against the US. The petitioners
lost, but their cases were heard.
Korematsu v. US
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=323&invol=214
Hirabayashi v. US
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=320&invol=81
Robert Paul
The Reed Institue
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