Chris wrote: I had not meant to sound anti-American. Some of the rest of us still hold the U.S. to a higher standard when it comes to freedom and civil liberties. Historically, Americans have reliably removed excess when it encumbered or no longer served a purpose. Think of John Adams and his Alien and Sedition Acts, which though primarily aimed at French influence in the country, became too much of a hassle. It finished Adams. It destroyed the Federalist Party forever, creating a landslide for Jefferson's Democratic Republican Party. This walloping arose entirely by popular discontent, since the Supreme Court had not yet claimed its right to judicial review. Further, Chris, you do not sound anti-American. You echo American sentiments, not only because of your critique, but also because the US should be held to a higher standard, as long as that standard is consistent with national defense. What is the use of being exceptionalist if you are also exceptionally destroyed? The link between "US exceptionalism" and holding "the U.S. to a higher standard when it comes to freedom and civil liberties" should be examined. Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html