[lit-ideas] Re: NYT in the news again
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:42:17 -0400
> [Original Message]
> From: Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 10/23/2005 7:46:49 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: NYT in the news again
>
> That is THE irony of it all. And, of course, that's because Judy Miller
--
> the WMD specialist on staff -- was given the kind of autonomy no other
> reporter anywhere else would have been given. She listened to Chalabi and
> wrote about WMD as HE represented it. So because her stories made it into
> the NYTimes, it seemed like the Times was pro-war.
>
> Miller said she learned when you have a bad source, your information is
bad.
> Maureen Dowd commented -- wisely -- that "investigative journalism isn't
> stenography." Meaning Miller's job wasn't to echo a source -- any source
--
> but to use that source as a starting point for investigative reporting.
> Miller didn't.
>
> How do you become an experienced reporter that behaves the way Miller did?
> Beats me. Keller never expected it either. He trusted her. She was just a
> total screw-up.
>
And the layers of editors between her and the readers get away scot free.
The NYT has a history of bad or no fact checking. They're incompetent,
they're closet Republicans, and they like war. That's our paper of record.
Andy Amago
> Stan Spiegel
> Portland, ME
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andreas Ramos" <andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 5:10 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: NYT in the news again
>
>
> > But that's the irony of it all: the NYT was a key supporter of the WMD
> fabrication. It's
> > solidly pro-war pro-Bush.
> >
> > A liberal paper? Moderate? Conservative? It's ultra-right.
> >
> > As for the WSJ... oh, dear.
> >
> > This will be a very interesting week.
> >
> > yrs,
> > andreas
> > www.andreas.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Eternitytime1@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:01 PM
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: NYT in the news again
> >
> >
> > > HI,
> > > Yes...It takes an incredible amount of courage to admit mistakes.
> > >
> > > I know even few people who can do that.
> > >
> > > And, what paper is left if the NY Times disappears?
> > > Granted, most people (esp conservative) think of the NY Times as
awfully
> > > liberal. Most of them would be totally thrilled to see the NY Times
> disappeared
> > > (they think of the liberal press as totally corrupt anyway and since
> success
> > > is equated to moral ability--they'd just say 'there you go')
> > >
> > > Who would be left for the liberal-oriented? Or even the moderates or
> > > balanced?
> > >
> > > The Wall Street Journal?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Marlena in Missouri
> > > sad to hear the 'gotcha' from people...instead of the 'let's fix this'
> or
> > > 'glad they're fixing it'
> > >
> >
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