And Aristotle, apparently, was a bugger for the bottle. http://www.metrolyrics.com/the-philosophers-song-lyrics-monty-python.html Dnl On Thursday, 2 January 2014, 2:26, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: And from Kant: "If a smuggled bottle of so-so vodka is available, rational autonomy dictates us to abandon all the antinomies of pure reason until it is drunk." On Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:22 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hegel says: "To measure beer in pints is for the accursed British of the isles. No true German would ever stoop to measuring the quantity of his beer, provided that the quality is good." (Alcohologica, part 2, chapter 3) On Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:08 AM, "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" <Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> wrote: In a message dated 12/31/2013 2:09:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx writes: Well, just as we can intelligibly say 'a bottle of vodka,' without specifying the quantity, so it seems to me that we can intelligibly say 'a box of pizza' without specifying the quantity. A box of pizza being delivered is not necessarily equivalent to what you get when you order 'a pizza' in a restaurant. It may be that, ehem, there are 'deeper' philosophical issues at stake that escape me at present. Similarly, Grice raises doubts as to the expression, 'cup of tea' with or without the qualifying, 'nice cup of tea'. Strictly, it should be, he notes, 'cup WITH tea'. I follow his argument: 'of' is etymologically, 'off', even if the Brits pronounce it 'ov'. A cup off tea would thus IMPLICATE (to use Grice's parlance) something like what is implicated by 'a trip OFF shore'. Wittgenstein ("Philosophical Grammar") speaks of a 'pint of beer' within what he calls a 'form of life'/'language game' that provokes the same kind of linguistic puzzles. Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html