John Wager:I don't usually respond to political posts here, one way or the other, because I'm trying to sift through my own prejudices and filters and know that they are very difficult to eliminate. I probably have MORE filters than most people; I think almost everybody is just trying to get through life as well as they can, and that most conspiracies and planned assaults on society are just as ill-conceived and ill-planned and exaggerated in power as the stupidity of the society the attacks are aimed at. I think this is all very true. I am not just interested in who disrupted the concert. I am very interested in how this is going to end. The Palestinians have made it very clear, at least to me. See link below. They have claimed that they intend to push the Israelis into the sea. The Israelis believe them. The boycotters don't. So it's sort of like waiting for the end of the play. Except it's not a game. Some of the boycotters, I don't know which of them, are probably what the Soviets used to call "useful idiots." If the Israeli's are destroyed, surrounded by hundreds of millions of Arabs, the rest of us will place the blame on someone else. It always seems to go that way. The only person I ever heard of blaming himself for a massacre was Bill Clinton in reference to his lack of action in Rwanda. The last peace agreement I remember, with a hand shake in Washington to seal the deal ended a few weeks later when the Israelis captured a boat full of arms going to Yasser Arafat. It's just as well that all this ended as it seems unworkable. The Google link below connects several Arab countries to the threat, not just jihadists. http://www.Google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1ACEWCENUS347&q=who+threatened+to+push+Israelis+into+the+sea%3F&oq=who+threatened+to+push+Israelis+into+the+sea%3F&aq=f&aqi Veronica Caley Milford, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: John Wager To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslims (plural) disrupt Israeli philharmonic concert for Dutch Queen I'm amazed at how the human mind succeeds in seeing what it wants to see, no matter what the evidence. Those of us who are paranoid about fundamentalist Christians taking over the U.S. see lots of things through that filter, and see a minor internecine squabble among fundamentalists as grounds for something much bigger. Those of us who think most of the tea party supporters are nuts see anything said by a Republican as equally nuts. Those of us who are afraid of Muslims see a disruption by what most YouTube posters called "yobs" as a disruption by "Muslims." I just looked at several versions of the disruption on YouTube and for the life of me can't make out anything that would identify those yobs as Muslim, Christian, or secular. Yes, they are protesting against the treatment of Palestine, and yes most Palestinians are Muslim, but there are a lot of Christian Palestinians and even quite a few non-religious supporters of Palestine who might have been among the "yobs." I don't usually respond to political posts here, one way or the other, because I'm trying to sift through my own prejudices and filters and know that they are very difficult to eliminate. I probably have MORE filters than most people; I think almost everybody is just trying to get through life as well as they can, and that most conspiracies and planned assaults on society are just as ill-conceived and ill-planned and exaggerated in power as the stupidity of the society the attacks are aimed at. Thankfully. Lawrence Helm wrote: One can find a fuller description of what happened at http://yourjewishnews.com/10666.aspx Muslims around the audience popped up at different times.