As a matter of fact I discussed all these matters at great length. You must have evaded my long notes. The most significant point in regard to Jihadism and Moderation is THAT THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT MODERATE ISLAMIC MOVEMENT STANDING IN OPPOSITION TO EXTREMISM IN THE MIDDLE EAST. Sure there is opposition elsewhere -- in the US for example, but so what. What effect do the moderate writers and speakers have on the Middle East, the source of the world's problems? None. And you are evading the point that your vaunted Indonesian moderation IS NOT HOLDING OUT EFFECTIVELY AGAINST EXTREMISM! They are losing ground. Lawrence ------------Original Message------------ From: "Phil Enns" <phil.enns@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sat, Jun-23-2007 11:26 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: More on Indonesia Radicalism: Lawrence wrote: <snipped irrelevant material> Lawrence concludes: "But to deny that Jihadist dangers exist in Indonesia, is well being in denial, wishful thinking ..." In fact I wrote that I am well aware of the risks. I know the dangers of where I am going better than you do. What I wrote, and the point Lawrence continues to evade, is that there is a significant moderate Islamic movement standing in opposition to extremism. I realize that this disrupts Lawrence's easy caricature of Islam as extremist, but reality is rarely so easily portrayed. Sincerely, Phil Enns ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html