LH: >>As to the Crusades, they have been misrepresented in recent years due to the >>misrepresentation of them by the Islamtists.<< Thank you, Lawrence, sometimes I begin to fear that there are no surprises left in life, but you always come through. Thank you. Mike Geary Memphis Supporter of the Children's Crusade. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: Lit-Ideas Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] More & More off-list JL, The note you are responding is a note I posted on-line, but it has not yet appeared on Lit-Ideas; so I shall copy you as usual in case this one doesn’t appear either. Ever since you were placed in solitary confinement and allowed only brief periods in the exercise yard, heavily supervised, my notes have gone awry. Perhaps because I’ve been associating with you I am under suspicion also; although since my posts have been confined by the authorities to the dust bin, I don’t understand how anyone would know. Ah, so some of your comments were to motivate me to reply. Since you commented similarly to others I assume you had the same purpose in mind for them. And since none of them have replied . . . I assume that their notes of reply are in the same Lit-Ideas Limbo as mine. As to the Crusades, they have been misrepresented in recent years due to the misrepresentation of them by the Islamists. According to the Islamists, Muslims were peacefully minding their own business when without provocation the evil Christians aggressively attacked them. This is funny in the same way a conspiracy theory is funny. Actually, Christian nations had been minding their own business, albeit in the manner of Troy, that is enjoying their wealth and learning to practice war no more when they were attacked by the Barbarians. These Barbarians (Muslims) conquered city by city and Western Christianity ignored cries coming from the East for help for year after year. Finally the Pope called for a Crusade. And foreshadowing Joseph Goebbels, Islamists and their admirers have been holding up the Crusades as an example of Western Evil ever since Sayyid Qutb made that preposterous claim. Lawrence From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx [mailto:Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:21 PM To: lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Ain't going to war no more' Thanks for a thought (and feeling) provoking thought. I see traffic is slow and your post has not been distributed yet with the list, and, as far as this post by mine -- this very one I'm sending you now cc the list -- is concerned, perhaps never will! So for the record, I made a little search into two delightful OED expressions, "Foreign Office" and "War Department". Enjoy! I think you are right and that it's irresponsible to deny war, etc. I hope you appreciate I was trying to mimick the silly entries in "Who's Who", where one reads of Churchill, "He enjoys a cigar in the tub", or stupid things like that. I was also interested in (a) motivating you to reply and providing an occasion, as it proved, to let us see your excellent, superb, stylish defense of the casus belli -- complete with description of the Hellenes are 'barbarian', which I enjoyed, and the motto, "There are always barbarians". Indeed, a common idiom in Buenos Aires is still, "There are no Moors on the coast" ("No hay moros en la costa") meaning, "No danger in view", which must come with the Conquistadores and there fear that the Moors would tripple across the Gibraltar Strait like _this_. (b) re-thinking the Crusade, as Richard the CoeurLion _is_ on my list of lists! And I wonder what led these people to cross all Europe to restore the Faith. You are possibly right that I would not like Buenos Aires being bombed so I apologise if I hurt your feelings which have grown so loyal to your homeland as they should after 9/11. I hope other members of the list also comment on your post. It deserves good commentary. When I was mentioning the 'superb', etc. I was referring to your qualifying the excerpts from Cartladge and Strauss, not the not-so-great JLS. Anyway, thanks. Hey, my English setter, Ruperto, never died, so I still _own_ him, in a metaphorical sense (He was stupidly stolen). You can count the fox terrier as yet another dog I own, though. Again, I was mocking the Who's Who entries. This pdf. on athletics I recently referred to in a post http://www.aafla.org/SportsLibrary/JSH/JSH1985/JSH1203/jsh1203b.pdf. makes a few references to what the author calls the 'warrior-athlete', which I hope you will appreciate. Apparently, it's pretty heavy gear! I have a few other thoughts about war, etc. Back to the recruit versus volunteer. And I don't want to sound offensive, but how much 'volunteer' can it be if a member of the armed forces receives a salary. (I've just come from a 'literacy' volunteer centre, and by definition, a 'volunteer' is someone who does not receive monetary compensation. Please explain!). Back to the war-argument, I think you DO like the ghurkas, but during the Falklands War, the Argentine army was basically (a) professional -- though hardly 'volunteer' -- and (b) draft, recruits -- if you volunteer, the best for your mental health, I would think. Argentina was not prepared for the fight, and they were using silly gear and weapons -- like Mausers -- that could not compare to the mercenary killing instict of _them_ ghurkas -- and their foreign faces! For some reason I cannot imagine an English officer climbing Tumbledown to kill an Argentine! After the years of the Good Beef from Old Argentina and all that. They trusted the _ghurkas_ to do the 'dirty' job. It's also worth considering that what you mention as war being the occasion or excuse or pretext for the display of manly deeds may no longer be applicable with the technicalization (if that's the word) of most 'military strategies' now. I love a bootcamp, but apparently it's all computerized now, and don't be surprised if they also have 'simulated' boots in simulated 'camps'. My reference to 'foreign' was meant as partly comical, in that it's a word that has nice philosophical puzzles (of the naive linguistic kind) about it. We think of a foreign-language, and that's French for Americans, but it's American for the French, et al. I was also reminded of George Mikes (a foreigner, name pronounced Mikesh) who writes in "How to be an alien", "I told this Englishwoman that I was ready to marry her, as my mother did approve of my marrying a foreigner. To which she replied, "Me, a foreigner? I'm not a foreigner. You are a foregner, and your old mother, too!". "Even in Croatia?" I asked. "Surely. Things like these are truths, and surely truth is not relative to place or time." :-) Hey, you make me sound like I'm Nero in an sempiternal (if that's the word) orgy in Buenos Aires. And no, I would not resign (if that's the word) my right to fight in a war. I don't like a satrap, least so a foreign one! I commend your honor and intelligence and passion in dealing with and doing your best to understand 'foreign policy'. It can be a fascinating subject too. And nice to catalogue in the swimming pool library too. I have a few books on British foreign policy, and they make for quite a shelf! One is called "Britain in the Western Mediterranean" with a nice map showing all those posts of the Empire from Horatio Nelson's little bay in Mayonne (Minorca), plus Malta (where the Queen recently celebrated her 60th? anniversary with Philip) and of course Gibraltar (that they still possess). I also own a little silly, "Queen Victoria's little wars", and books on the "Indian Mutiny", "The Boer War", "The Reason Why" -- and a few on the Falklands/Malvinas. Foreign is as foreign does, too. Who would have thought that the Chileans -- to an European -- would count as a 'foreign' to Argentina!? Why, they (Chile) were _once_ part of the Argentine Empire! Yet, we were more than once on the verge of war, and I understand your commentary on wanting to negotiate peace as best as possible. As a matter of history, it was the Pope who settled peace for us! -- over the Beagle Channel. And as you mentioned on this list too, it's the Uruguayans now. Fancy living in a country which, as Homer (Simpson) sings, sounds like "UR-u-Gay?" Cheers, J. L. Speranza Buenos Aires, Argentina Foreign Office: the department of the ‘Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs’; the building in which the business of this department is carried on. 1797 Rep. Committees Ho. of Comm. XII. 301 The Office of Secretary of State for the *War Department was first established on the 11th July 1794. 1819 D. B. WARDEN Acc. U.S. III. 395 Chapter xliv. Of the War Department. Ibid. 405 The original proceedings of all courts-martial, ordered by the war department, are transmitted to that department by the judge advocate of the court. 1866 G. B. MCLELLAN Let. 26 Dec. in McLellan's Own Story (1887) xii. 221 The entire establishment..was removed to the War Department building, without my knowledge. 1944 Time 2 Oct. 19/1 This was strictly a military document drafted by the War Department.