[lit-ideas] Re: Moby Dick and America
- From: "Veronica Caley" <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:39:47 -0500
The scholars in question try to align the Biblical stories and characters with
archeology. According to the book, "The Bible Unearthed," basically says that
none of the OT is factual and until 700 BCE. At that time, King Josiah was
threatened with war and disintegration of the Hebrew tribe.
He then made up the stories in question to inspire patriotism to help in the
fight with the coming enemy.
Since then, archeologists seem to have found evidence of David and possibly
King Solomon's mines. This bit about King Josiah reminds me of how Stalin
revived all those Czarist generals to help Russians fight off the German
invaders. I think he guessed correctly that it would greatly improve their
nationalism.
Veronica
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From: Omar Kusturica
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Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:55 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Moby Dick and America
Well, thanks for the references, Eric. No doubt it's possible to doubt
the authenticity of the whole story about Abraham, or the whole Old Testament
for that matter. Yet it's odd that the story is accepted in a very similar form
by both the Jews and the Arabs, who also see as their ancestors or predecessors
Abraham (Ibrahim) and Ishmael (whose name is a distinctly Hebraic name), if
there isn't something in it. Perhaps at the very least there was a semitic
tribe which split into two, one part of it going into Arabia and the other one
a little later into Egypt. But maybe I should have made my objection more
clear, I wasn't suggesting that we have to accept the OT at face value, I was
puzzled by your specific formulation:
However, the
parallelism of Isaac and Ishmael, both of whom received God's blessing
in
Genesis, is seen as an ethnographic myth.
So do the scholars think that the whole story of Abraham is an
ethnographic myth, or only the part about Hagar and Ishmael ? Is it suggested
by the historians that, in hard fact, only Isaac received God's blessing, while
Ishmael did not ?
O.K.
--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Moby Dick and America
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 5:07 PM
>>the parallelism of Isaac and Ishmael, both of whom received God's
blessing in Genesis, is seen as an ethnographic myth.
*Seen by whom ? O.K.
Scholars of the ANE. Here's a small bibliography for your interest:
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