[lit-ideas] Re: Mitfordiana

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  • Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:20:57 -0500

We are discussing Palma's example of "Padua" (or "Padova" if you  mustn't).

Palma's original example indeed involved Padova (or  Padua):

Palma writes:

"Padua University is called Padua University  exactly 
because both Padua City and Padua University exist,  and
Padua City got there way before the university and its faculties  
came into being."

I'm not sure how much sense we can make about Padua  City "getting there". 
It may be different from Memphis, TN (or 'different than'  Memphis, TN, as 
Anderson Cooper prefers).

We are considering

i.  Jones went to Padua to study economics.

Omar asks

>Is it  possible that there is more than one educational institution in 
Padua where  economics could be >studied? 

In a message dated 2/15/2015 2:57:59  P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx writes:
>at university  level, no.

Note that Jones might have gone to Padua to study economics  other than at 
university level, though. 

Indeed, he may have gone to  Padua to open a shop and thought it a good 
idea 'to "study" [the] economics' of  the place before 'getting there'.

It's different from

ii. Grice  went to Corpus Christi to study classics.

Because you cannot really open  a 'shop' in classics, least so at "The Body 
of Christ", as the name of Grice's  _alma mater_ literally translates -- He 
preferred to call it "The  House".

This fits well with Mitford's rules of usage. She says that  'home' is 
non-U while 'house' is always ok.
Some examples are tricky for the Mitfordian analysis in terms of  

iii. He went to Coventry to study philosophy.
iv. He went to Warwick to study philosophy.
It is well known that the University of Warwick is in Coventry, and  so, 
someone 'not in the know' may get the wrong implicature out of the  utterance 
("Warwick" means "Warwickshire" in (iv). 
But in general, it's best to stick with 'graduate':
v. He graduated from Warwick with a degree in philosophy 
means that he graduated, physically, _at_ the village of Coventry,  which 
is the seat of the University of Warwickshire, from which he obtained the  
Mitford learnt most of this stuff from her father who _knew_.
(He is played in the BBC miniseries by Alan Bates, but Mitford's sister,  
the Duchess of Devonshire (who lives in Chatsworth, Derbyshire), found his  
acting slightly unconvincing). 
Nancy Mitford's essay is her attempt to educate Evelyn Waugh (his wife was  
also called Evelyn), who thought he knew but didn't. 



"Modern Etiquettes for Girls", by Margaret Frankl: The word rich is U;  
wealthy is Non-U. Sick is U; ill is Non-U. House is U; home as in 'They live in 
 a lovely --' is non-U.
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