[lit-ideas] Re: Mitfordiana

  • From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:09:57 +0100

Presumably as long as you were in Memphis, Tennessee, and not visiting a
historical site near Cairo.

O.K.

On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Mike Geary <jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> If you were in Memphis and you said "I feel like some Rendezvous?"
> Everyone would know that you were saying: "Let's go to the Rendezvous
> Restaurant and eat the best damn barbecued ribs in the whole damn world."
> What would Grice say about that, huh?  I'm telling you the truth: Language
> don't follow no (  ) or <> or  [ ] or # or ^ or ~ language is just what we
> do when we're bored.  Like me right now in this write.   Sometimes
> languagehas some meaning outside one's own self, but we won't go there,
> we'll go to the Rendezvous instead.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1:57 PM, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> at university level, no
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Is it possible that there is more than one educational institution in
>>> Padua where economics could be studied ?
>>>
>>>  O.K.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Redacted sender Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx for
>>> DMARC <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In a message dated 2/15/2015 3:29:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> Palma@xxxxxxxxxx writes:
>>>> "Alas Harvard was a person, hence calling Harvard  Harvard university is
>>>> just fine and dandy even by the silly gricean maxims.  Padua university
>>>> is
>>>> called padua university exactly because both exists and  padua-city got
>>>> there
>>>> way before the university and its faculties came into  being.
>>>>
>>>> I think Mitford is thinking of specific contexts.
>>>>
>>>> i. Jones went to Padua to study economics.
>>>>
>>>> ii. Jones went to Padua.
>>>>
>>>> iii. Jones graduated from Padua.
>>>>
>>>> I THINK Mitford has in mind examples like (i): "to study economics"
>>>> would
>>>> seem to implicate that it's the university of Padua that is referred to,
>>>> hence
>>>>
>>>> iv. Jones went to Padua University to study economics.
>>>>
>>>> WOULD violate a Griceian maxim.
>>>>
>>>> With Harvard it seems to work very similarly.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that I believe Harvard was originally referred to as Harvard
>>>> COLLEGE (which should also be avoided) rather than UNIVERSITY may be
>>>> the reason
>>>> behind this.
>>>>
>>>> Oxford is slightly different.
>>>>
>>>> Grice went to Corpus Christi.
>>>>
>>>> You don't need to add "College", and even less, "Grice went to Corpus
>>>> Christi College, Oxford University". That would violate Griceian maxims
>>>> _twice_,
>>>>  and trigger all the wrong implicatures.
>>>>
>>>> Mitford extend her approach to other places too.
>>>>
>>>> "We're dining at Blenheim Palace" would be non-U as she calls it. The
>>>> thing
>>>>  _is_ a palace, not far from Oxford, but
>>>>
>>>> "We're dining at Blenheim."
>>>>
>>>> just does.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Speranza
>>>>
>>>> * Mitford is basing her research not so much on Grice but Ross, of
>>>> Birmingham.
>>>>
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