[lit-ideas] Re: Mitfordiana
- From: palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 21:57:54 +0200
at university level, no
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Is it possible that there is more than one educational institution in
> Padua where economics could be studied ?
>
> O.K.
>
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Redacted sender Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx for
> DMARC <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 2/15/2015 3:29:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> Palma@xxxxxxxxxx writes:
>> "Alas Harvard was a person, hence calling Harvard Harvard university is
>> just fine and dandy even by the silly gricean maxims. Padua university is
>> called padua university exactly because both exists and padua-city got
>> there
>> way before the university and its faculties came into being.
>>
>> I think Mitford is thinking of specific contexts.
>>
>> i. Jones went to Padua to study economics.
>>
>> ii. Jones went to Padua.
>>
>> iii. Jones graduated from Padua.
>>
>> I THINK Mitford has in mind examples like (i): "to study economics" would
>> seem to implicate that it's the university of Padua that is referred to,
>> hence
>>
>> iv. Jones went to Padua University to study economics.
>>
>> WOULD violate a Griceian maxim.
>>
>> With Harvard it seems to work very similarly.
>>
>> The fact that I believe Harvard was originally referred to as Harvard
>> COLLEGE (which should also be avoided) rather than UNIVERSITY may be the
>> reason
>> behind this.
>>
>> Oxford is slightly different.
>>
>> Grice went to Corpus Christi.
>>
>> You don't need to add "College", and even less, "Grice went to Corpus
>> Christi College, Oxford University". That would violate Griceian maxims
>> _twice_,
>> and trigger all the wrong implicatures.
>>
>> Mitford extend her approach to other places too.
>>
>> "We're dining at Blenheim Palace" would be non-U as she calls it. The
>> thing
>> _is_ a palace, not far from Oxford, but
>>
>> "We're dining at Blenheim."
>>
>> just does.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Speranza
>>
>> * Mitford is basing her research not so much on Grice but Ross, of
>> Birmingham.
>>
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