[lit-ideas] Re: Mitfordiana

  • From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:56:06 +0100

Is it possible that there is more than one educational institution in Padua
where economics could be studied ?

O.K.

On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Redacted sender Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx for
DMARC <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> In a message dated 2/15/2015 3:29:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Palma@xxxxxxxxxx writes:
> "Alas Harvard was a person, hence calling Harvard  Harvard university is
> just fine and dandy even by the silly gricean maxims.  Padua university is
> called padua university exactly because both exists and  padua-city got
> there
> way before the university and its faculties came into  being.
>
> I think Mitford is thinking of specific contexts.
>
> i. Jones went to Padua to study economics.
>
> ii. Jones went to Padua.
>
> iii. Jones graduated from Padua.
>
> I THINK Mitford has in mind examples like (i): "to study economics" would
> seem to implicate that it's the university of Padua that is referred to,
> hence
>
> iv. Jones went to Padua University to study economics.
>
> WOULD violate a Griceian maxim.
>
> With Harvard it seems to work very similarly.
>
> The fact that I believe Harvard was originally referred to as Harvard
> COLLEGE (which should also be avoided) rather than UNIVERSITY may be the
> reason
> behind this.
>
> Oxford is slightly different.
>
> Grice went to Corpus Christi.
>
> You don't need to add "College", and even less, "Grice went to Corpus
> Christi College, Oxford University". That would violate Griceian maxims
> _twice_,
>  and trigger all the wrong implicatures.
>
> Mitford extend her approach to other places too.
>
> "We're dining at Blenheim Palace" would be non-U as she calls it. The thing
>  _is_ a palace, not far from Oxford, but
>
> "We're dining at Blenheim."
>
> just does.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Speranza
>
> * Mitford is basing her research not so much on Grice but Ross, of
> Birmingham.
>
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