I wrote: "...one might be seduced by statements like S into thinking that all things obey the laws of logic, which, as Robert I think will agree, they don't." Which was an unfortunate paraphrase of this: "...one might be seduced by statements like S into thinking that all things obey the laws of logic and doubting that there are any things which do not obey those laws of logic. But, as I think Robert will agree, people often make statements about things which are too vague, ambiguous or otherwise uncertain to be confident the laws of logic apply to them. Those things need not be any less real than things that obey the laws of logic, and statements about them may be every bit as urgent as statements about things that do obey the laws of logic." Perhaps Robert won't agree with that either, but there was a plausible interpretation of my original sentence which I do not agree with, did not intend and certainly didn't intend to attribute to Robert, i.e. that no things obey the laws of logic. Regards to all Eric Dean Washington DC