Well, see you guys are doing your illogical thing which is to assume that I am saying something illogical, which to you seems perfectly logical er rational er no you won't like that either er sensible - shoot . . . Anyway, no, I'm not saying just because you guys share an abhorrence of logic with Al Quaeda that you guys are terrorists. No I'm not saying that at all. I mean how would I know that even if you were since I spend all my time hunched over a computer in San Jacinto and none at all traveling to such places as Memphis and er and er wherever everyone else lives. No, not at all. . . But I suppose I might be induced to . . . if there was a proper inducement . . . say that if you abandon practical logic you might end up any old place including but not necessarily limited to training camps outside of Kandahar or some remote place in Pakistan, but it might be some entirely different illogical place like but not necessarily limited to Memphis. Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Geary Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:14 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants Jesus, Lawrence, you've turned yourself into a cartoon. Get a grip, man. Mike Geary Memphis ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Helm To: Lit-Ideas <mailto:Lit-Ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants Several here on Lit-Ideas have expressed their disdain for logic, Aristotelian thinking, reasoning, etc. They may be interested in finding that their views are shared by some notable others. On page 302 of The Looming Tower, Lawrence Wright writes, about Al Qaeda trainees being prepared for the 9/11 plot: "Their text was a 180-page manual, Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants, which included chapters on counterfeiting, weapons training, security, and espionage. 'The confrontation that we are calling for with the apostate regimes does not know Socratic debates . . . Platonic ideals . . . nor Aristotelian diplomacy,' the manual begins. 'But it does know the dialogue of bullets, the ideals of assassination, bombing and destruction, and the diplomacy of the canon and machine gun.'" Of course they were not initially told what they would be assigned to do, but in general, "The targets were always Americans, either U.S., soldiers or vehicles, but there were other, 'enemies of Islam,' according to the handwritten notes of a student in an al-Qaeda ideology class. 1. Heretics (the Mubaraks of the world) 2. Shiites 3. America 4. Israel" Their goals were (are) 1. Establishing the rule of God on Earth 2. Attaining martyrdom in the cause of God. 3. Purification of the ranks of Islam from the elements of depravity. Lawrence