I was going to protest at another of Lawrence callous insults, but the pressure has become too great, the force of Helmian logic too profound, and as such I'm forced to admit that, yes, I am indeed in league with the foul enemies of western civlisation.... I first started eating marmite at the age of four, though it might have been younger; naturally my parents tried to shelter me from such depravity and it was understandable that they could have understated the crime. At first it was on bread soldiers, buttered of course, but as the years went by I sank deeper into the marmite pit until I was putting teaspoons of it into hot water. Nowadays I dispense with the water altogether. I know, I know, it's depraved, and I wouldn't tell you all, but as I said, Lawrence's logic was just too much to bear. I'm sorry, I'm really sorry...I only hope that you can find someway to forgive me... Simon Marmite Fiend http://www.marmite.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: Lit-Ideas Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:55 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants Several here on Lit-Ideas have expressed their disdain for logic, Aristotelian thinking, reasoning, etc. They may be interested in finding that their views are shared by some notable others. On page 302 of The Looming Tower, Lawrence Wright writes, about Al Qaeda trainees being prepared for the 9/11 plot: "Their text was a 180-page manual, Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants, which included chapters on counterfeiting, weapons training, security, and espionage. 'The confrontation that we are calling for with the apostate regimes does not know Socratic debates . . . Platonic ideals . . . nor Aristotelian diplomacy,' the manual begins. 'But it does know the dialogue of bullets, the ideals of assassination, bombing and destruction, and the diplomacy of the canon and machine gun.'" Of course they were not initially told what they would be assigned to do, but in general, "The targets were always Americans, either U.S., soldiers or vehicles, but there were other, 'enemies of Islam,' according to the handwritten notes of a student in an al-Qaeda ideology class. 1.. Heretics (the Mubaraks of the world) 2.. Shiites 3.. America 4.. Israel" Their goals were (are) 1.. Establishing the rule of God on Earth 2.. Attaining martyrdom in the cause of God. 3.. Purification of the ranks of Islam from the elements of depravity. Lawrence