> I can't wait to see the film, but I'm afraid it's pretty much preaching to > the choir. Does anyone think it likely to have any real impact on the general > population? Moore's film includes more footage of abuse of prisoners, plus footage of American soldiers complaining about the war. The movie will also get attention due to the White House's efforts to get Disney to censor the film. One can expect Moore to earn several hundred million from this film, and he will use that money to make more anti-Bush movies. There's also more pixs to come from Iraq. There are some 1,500 photos, plus videos. The worst stuff hasn't been shown yet. That includes the rape of a boy by US military personnel. The US Army itself is now the Bad Guys. These pixs are floating around in dozens or hundreds of CDs that were passed around by the troops as "trophies". Eventually, inevitably, someone is going to post these to the web. Yesterday, we learned that Chalabi was connected to Iranian intelligence services. He fed Iranian disinformation to the USA and gave US military secrets to Iran. He also knew about upcoming bombing attacks and didn't bother to inform the USA. Chalabi was the Pentagon's top choice for the new Iraq. Just wonderful, no? Why did Iran feed disinformation to the USA via Chalabi? They wanted to see the USA attack Iraq and bring down Saddam, whom they've hated since the Iraq-Iran War. And of course, there would be a bit of Iranian joy over watching the USA start a war on false information and suffer afterwards. Bush was screwed by the Iranians. There's no longer a question about it. The situation in Iraq is complete chaos. The war has been lost. There is no way for the USA to restore control, short of firing everyone even remotely associated with this debacle, and that isn't going to happen. Iraq is not another Vietnam. Oh, no. It's far worse. Bush is going to speak on Monday night. What can he possibly say? yrs, andreas www.andreas.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html