[lit-ideas] Re: Michael Moore at Cannes: Palme d'Or Best Film

  • From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 17:49:07 +0100

> A.A. Oh, please Pollyanna.  Yes, the entire US Army is full of
> rotten people.  Unrestrained, people are capable a very horrid
> things.  I refer you to that much referred to study of college
> students who were given jobs as mock prison guards who, nice
> people though they were in their regular lives, found it easy to
> torture people.

Zimbardo:

http://www.augsburg.edu/psych/vml/zimbardo.html


It's been part-replicated, with very different results.

Judy Evans
jaye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Michael Moore at Cannes: Palme d'Or Best Film
>
> Hi,
> Okay.  But, there is a strong part of me which says...however
> horrid it is
> tat thois war was created in the first place and however
> horrible it has been
> managed.  The *entire* US Army is not *full* of rotten people.
>
>
> A.A. Oh, please Pollyanna.  Yes, the entire US Army is full of
> rotten people.  Unrestrained, people are capable a very horrid
> things.  I refer you to that much referred to study of college
> students who were given jobs as mock prison guards who, nice
> people though they were in their regular lives, found it easy to
> torture people.   Unrestrained, it isn't people's best that comes out.
>
>
>
>
> Marlena:  Mostly--they are
> kids send to do what they were not prepared to do---and not for
> what we, as a
> nation, have really trained our kids to do [i.e. fight a war that is
> completely either good or evil...]
>
>
> A.A.  Yeah, yeah.  Old rotten people were once rotten people.
> Every see kids in a school yard?  Not humanity at its finest.
>
>
>
> Marlena:  This world, even the United States, is full of
> incredibly creative people.
> (even if the U.S. is not the MOST creative place in the world
> any longer--it
> still is full of incredibly creative sorts...)  I walk down the
> rows of Walmart
> and talk to people who create all sorts of things and sell them
> at festivals.
> I had dinner last night with some friends and found out that the
> husband makes
> really intriguing sorts of things that would sell really well around the
> country at all sorts of Renaissance Festivals.  [he'd never
> thought of that...but
> I am always looking at how to share creativity...in all forms]
>
> SO much creative energy exists.  Surely surely there could be a way to
> somehow create a sweet world in Iraq whereby there would be and
> could be penpals for
> our kids to have someday--somehow.  (and, maybe it would take firing
> everyone.  I know that *I* would at the least have reassigned a
> whole slew of
> them--probably to the clasroom and had them taught some basic
> values and structures of
> behavior...)
>
> Maybe it will take those who are creative finally being willing to step
> upward and onward and making the sacrifices to get into
> positions of power and
> control (and there is a sacrifice and not too many want to pay it)
>
> I think of the union of SBC and the current strike and how the
> management
> will be taking the 'offer' off the table on Monday.  They figure
> they have
> nothing to lose as they don't care if the union signs or not
> because so many people
> are out of work that they will be able to hire the 'scabs' and break the
> union.  They did it with grocery stores in most parts of the
> country...  and why
> is that?  Is it because people just don't care any longer?
>
> Wondering what has happend to unity and why creative energy is not
> forthcoming towards solutions that are practical, innovative and
> which will be
> win-win...
>
>
>
>
> A.A.  Being creative has nothing to do with being evil.  They
> get creatively evil, that's all.
>
>
>
> Andy Amago
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Marlena in Missouri
>
> In a message dated 5/22/2004 4:52:39 PM Central Standard Time,
> andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
> > The war has been lost. There is no way for the USA to restore
> > control, short of firing everyone even remotely associated with this
> > debacle, and that isn't going to happen.
> >
>
>
>
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