In a message dated 4/28/2010 4:45:20 P.M., mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx writes: bribes, and sudden encumbrances not included.) --- I propose he takes Ursula Stange with him. He called Ursula, 'trite' and 'false'. ---- Donal McEvoy proposes a 'reductio ad absurdum' of Ursula. Ursula was commenting on a piece by Geary, "Grandkids". How grand can a kid be? ---- Ursula had remarked: "a kid is grand if you find HIM grand -- what you find is already there". Donal McEvoy argued that was FALSE: "I can find a key that it was not already there". He qualifies this to read, "Because someone put it 'before I knew it'. TRITE. Here Donal McEvoy speaks of 'vices' that people have. How can you find that Jones, say, is an alcoholic, unless he is one? McEvoy notes: 'some traits in people develop with time'. In such a case, the alcoholism in Jones (provided it is a vice) is not found when he was not one (alcoholic). But Ursula knew that, and she knew we all knew that; hence what she said was trite. As Geary notes: Virgil possibly misled Dante onto something. JL