Lawrence Helm wrote: "Thief-life is apparently too precious for that." Not to me. Any life, including that of our paranoid lady, is too precious. Lawrence continues: "I have no idea what principle was behind Phil's assertions. He never did say. He does seem to embrace the general Leftist-Pacifist value that the preservation of human life pretty much trumps anything else, but it is difficult to force that into a coherent principle -- at least I've never heard it done." I am, by no stretch, a 'Leftist', even by your own criteria. As I have told you on several occasions, my pacifism is theological and has very little in common with what you call 'Leftist'. I am sympathetic to your need to have everything fit into an either/or, but some blocks are neither square nor round. Obtusely, Phil Enns ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html